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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 AM Jan 2019

Russia formally charges American citizen with spying

Source: The Hill

Russia has formally charged U.S,. citizen Paul Whelan with espionage, Moscow’s Interfax news agency is reporting.

“An indictment has been presented. Whelan dismisses it,” an unnamed source told the publication.

Russia’s Federal Security Service, the FSB, revealed earlier this week that Whelan had been detained in Moscow on Dec. 28 on suspicions of spying. Thursday’s reports are the first news of him being formally charged.

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/423671-russia-formally-charges-american-citizen-with-spying-report



Here is a much more extensive story about Whelan's dubious background in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/world/europe/us-spy-suspect-whelan-russia.html

Something seems off about his story...
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Russia formally charges American citizen with spying (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jan 2019 OP
Fine let's do a spy swap. Botany Jan 2019 #1
I think that is what this is all about. Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #6
Considering that Trump is an active Russian asset and the depths that Russia has their claws into... Botany Jan 2019 #10
Excellent suggestion, Botany! Nitram Jan 2019 #13
All part of the plan ScratchCat Jan 2019 #2
Yes. There is definitely something odd about this story. I am beginning to think it is some sort Mrs. Overall Jan 2019 #4
All they have to do ScratchCat Jan 2019 #7
and i wouldn't put it past some republicans to set this guy up for this - as long as they certainot Jan 2019 #8
possibly ScratchCat Jan 2019 #12
hopefully she's told them everything they need. they could have done this before she certainot Jan 2019 #14
I suspect ScratchCat Jan 2019 #16
that's why i was thinking he might have been set up from this side too certainot Jan 2019 #17
I'm still not certain ScratchCat Jan 2019 #19
just give him some money to receive a package in gorky park certainot Jan 2019 #21
The guy got kicked out of the military and he is a major orange maggot supporter kimbutgar Jan 2019 #18
Apparently Whelan's VK (Russian social media page) has him praising Trump. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #5
Paul Whelan is the person to be traded for Maria Butina. nt NCjack Jan 2019 #3
Rachel thinks they'll offer to swap Whelan for Maria Butina ailsagirl Jan 2019 #9
I just read more at the NYT link ScratchCat Jan 2019 #11
Perhaps it went down this way: NCjack Jan 2019 #15
I went to jr. high with Paul. muntrv Jan 2019 #20

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
6. I think that is what this is all about.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019

I heard on NPR they think the spy we have is highly valuable to go to all this trouble. She had a role of canvassing who could be solicited to be a Russian spy on US soil as a US citizen.

Botany

(70,597 posts)
10. Considering that Trump is an active Russian asset and the depths that Russia has their claws into...
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:24 PM
Jan 2019

... the Republican Party and parts of America's media (Fox I'm looking @ you) this pick up of "an
American spy" doesn't pass my smell test. Butina is going back to Russia and with that her testimony
about Russian/NRA/Trump/Republican will be limited.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
2. All part of the plan
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:01 PM
Jan 2019

Wonder what Whelan is getting out of it? I mean, nobody believes this guy just happened to go to Moscow for a wedding, right? Its a scam, a fake arrest, concocted by Trump and Putin to get Butina back to Russia and suppress what she has told Mueller. Mark my word. This is too coincidental.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
4. Yes. There is definitely something odd about this story. I am beginning to think it is some sort
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:03 PM
Jan 2019

of set up so that Butina does not reveal all that she knows.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
7. All they have to do
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jan 2019

is get Butina out of the country. The American judicial system requires that an accused be able to confront the accuser at trial. If Ms Butina is "not available" to be cross-examined, then her testimony can't be used. The DOJ would then have a very difficult time bringing charges against anyone based upon what Butina has told them because she couldn't be cross-examined by the defense at trial, and thus, her testimony can't be used.

There is a 100% chance this is a scam to get Butina back to Russia. Trump will shortly start making comments about "fake Russian spies" and whatnot in reference to Butina's arrest. Its very clear Putin told Trump what his orders were at the G20, and it included Syria, those companies who were un-sanctioned and Butina. We are heading to a serious place really quickly.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
8. and i wouldn't put it past some republicans to set this guy up for this - as long as they
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jan 2019

keep him and spread the possibility of a swap she'll feel hopeful

and sending a message to her she doesn't need to cooperate would be another effect whether a trade was actually part of the strategy or not

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
12. possibly
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jan 2019

but I think she has already told DOJ everything, Whitaker told Trump what she has(who told Putin) and Putin told him to get her back to Russia immediately and they concocted this ruse.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
14. hopefully she's told them everything they need. they could have done this before she
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jan 2019

told all to keep her quiet though.

i suppose if they just did this to get her back after she told all they would still be sending a message to future cooperators.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
16. I suspect
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jan 2019

Russia and Trump needed time to set up this ruse. It wouldn't work with just any old American who happened to be in Russia.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
19. I'm still not certain
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jan 2019

that Whelan isn't willfully complicit. Who says he wasn't offered a butt-load of money to participate? He seems to have a way too convenient connection to Russia(though its not very clear why he has this connection).

kimbutgar

(21,215 posts)
18. The guy got kicked out of the military and he is a major orange maggot supporter
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

I think this was a set up to get Butina back.

As this drags on it will make the orange maggot look bad, not Mueller.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,211 posts)
5. Apparently Whelan's VK (Russian social media page) has him praising Trump.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jan 2019

Yeah, this could be part of the arrangement.

The loser in this would be Butina. She's sent back to Russia after having cut a deal with US prosecutors.....she could be a target for a fourth floor window or some spiked tea.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
11. I just read more at the NYT link
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

and its really... odd.

How did a man who was dishonorably discharged get such a job with BW? Further, i'm still in the dark as to what his connection to/affinity with Russia is about that lead him to visit the place many times?.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
15. Perhaps it went down this way:
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jan 2019

PUTIN: You must return Maria Butina, now.
TRUMP: Impossible. Mueller would be able to prove collusion.
PUTIN: Here is the plan. We trade spies. Soon, I'm arresting American named Paul Whelan for spying. Next, ...
TRUMP: Do not tell me anymore. CIA is watching me -- maybe listening to this call.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
20. I went to jr. high with Paul.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:07 PM
Jan 2019

On Edit: I didn't know him to be a reich winger at the time. He apparently supports twitler. Still wish for a safe return for him.

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