Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
Source: NBC News
A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after experts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.
The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.
However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.
Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public radio station KPBS.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Maxheader
(4,374 posts)from a oxy/acetylene cutting torch or arc gouge..
kwassa
(23,340 posts)A cutting torch and a couple of minutes.
underpants
(182,904 posts)Ladder
Shovel
Saw
MyOwnPeace
(16,939 posts)underpants
(182,904 posts)Since Ill only need them one time.
MyOwnPeace
(16,939 posts)hire you to transport for them!
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)or maybe depleted uranium
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)got to have one of those!
Bengus81
(6,933 posts)ancianita
(36,137 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)In built up, well travelled areas a wall/fence/barrier is sensible and for the most part is already in place. In remote areas, a breach could go unnoticed for extended periods and would require continual patrolling to monitor. This is exactly why sensors and other surveillance measures are the real answer to securing the borders.
Technology gets better every day, but Forrest Trump is stuck in the Dark Ages.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)Who is going to cut brush on the other side of the fence? I assume Bush, Jr. is going to cut it on this side, he likes doing that. Donny, Jr. and "I'm Eric" don't know what end of a machete to hold.
Saw through the base of the fence in some brush and you have a Narnian portal into usa.
groundloop
(11,523 posts)Since Tiny is obviously all about enriching himself at the expense of others I'm a bit surprised I haven't seen any reporting on what he has to gain from 'the wall'. I have a strong suspicion that he or one of his spawn is somehow financially connected to the wall construction. There must be either partial ownership in a construction company, a company supplying material, or else an agreement for monetary kickbacks.
Bengus81
(6,933 posts)Or are we supposed to lap up the LIE that he truly cares about the safety of immigrants?? BS,follow the $$$BILLIONS on this one.
grumpyduck
(6,265 posts)Could that explain why he's so adamant about it? Promises made, deals cut, and maybe even the spectre of a threat of blackmail?
I don't like to speculate, but things are weird in this day and age.
Richard D
(8,779 posts)Along the Rio Grande.
calimary
(81,507 posts)Stalk out of the room, throw a hissy fit, made a federal case about it - literally, this time, rather than figuratively when he was younger.
Figure this, too: when hes ever asked for, or needed, or demanded money, it was always provided. Either daddy kicked it in at the beginning or bailed him out later on, or Deutsche Bank or the Russians came to his rescue after hed burned the American banks once too often.
This, now, is a FLAT NO with no oh, okay... stop screaming and yowling, Ill give in.
Id say this is very likely to be the first time hes demanded something and that hes been told NO, donald.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)from the company that was recently taken off of the sanctions list.
erronis
(15,355 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)There would be scrappage wars all along the border.......
A new security threat of its own........
Perseus
(4,341 posts)You are very right about that...Mexicans may not cross the border, but they will cut it to pieces and sell it as scrap metal.
watoos
(7,142 posts)oh boy, the cost of the wall just went up. Not sure 100 billion will cover that?
watoos
(7,142 posts)that only 6 possible terrorists were captured on the southern border while 42 were captured on the northern border? I've been to a border crossing in Maine and it is in the middle of nowhere in god's country.
There are a lot of Muslims in Canada, I think we need a northern border wall.
erronis
(15,355 posts)Congrats on #3000. Your posts are always laden with content, unlike some others....
I worked with Mexicans, Chileans, Venezuelans, Columbians, the average Jose is just like you and me. They are only trying to earn a living for their families.
I travelled all over rebuilding huge glass bottle making machines and installing new ones. The title made me laugh though, of course you can cut steel, why not? The easiest and best way to cut steel around the house is with a cutting disc, it looks like a grinding disc but it eats through steel, it fits on a grinder.
underpants
(182,904 posts)Twice the graft. Twice the kickbacks. Twice the cost overruns.
LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,939 posts)tear down that wall....... and send it over here to Donnie."
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)...with a wall.
Danascot
(4,694 posts)coyotes could remove a section, let people through and put it back in place. Then they could let people through whenever the coast was clear.
Rump could have his wall and immigrants could come and go ... win, win for everybody except tax payers.
grumpyduck
(6,265 posts)toll gate: charge people to come through. Great moneymaker for the criminally minded.
erronis
(15,355 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)Trumps wall is simply a dumb idea.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I'm wracking my brain, and I can't thing of a single national project that was dumber than this.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Relieve the pressure by allowing legal immigration. Put money into fixing that and people will much prefer to immigrate legally. It's so simple. But of course, when you are a racist idiot...
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)as the cycle will continue until the ones exploiting the illegal immigrants are truly held accountable.
Bengus81
(6,933 posts)Love how the Trumpanzies love to explain this one off by claiming Trump doesn't do the hiring. So FUCKING what,seeing how he's made himself the illegal immigration TOP COP then he should start with his own business.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/trump-undocumented-workers-bedminster-golf-course.html
underpants
(182,904 posts)Im guessing here but given the sad state of tech at the Fed level an upgrade in technology would improve the entire system....unless certain interests want thingbto stay murky.
watoos
(7,142 posts)how he got all of those undocumented workers to work for him? Even hid them from the Secret Service.
Trump himself is a perfect example of why people come here, because Trump gave them a job. Who else would clean his toilet and make his bed for pennies?
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)After all if its not the cutting its the fact that it can be tunneled under not to mention the sheer cost to build the damn thing added on the cost to provide maintenance to to as well as the fact you would still need people to patrol it.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Jesus Christ, are we in the fucking Middle Ages?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Can be overcome, with time and effort.
But it takes time and effort. And some guys with a generator and a cutting wheel sitting on the fence for a couple hours would be noticed.
A wall, will, indeed, result in the need of less border guards and the ability to create choke points. It's not really up to honest debate. It's a mechanical thing. They do work -- witness Israel where terrorist attacks from people coming in from the outside dropped to almost zero.
What is up for honest debate, however, is whether a strong Southern border is a good thing.
We've seemed to done just fine without a strong Southern border.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)The border is thousands of miles long so there are plenty of out of the way places for a group to setup and cut throw and they could also potentially do it in a way to conceal that they have done so.
For example if they cut down low and install some sort of concealed hinges they could make it so they could lower and raise it back up and if they do it right no one would be the wiser unless they were caught or the posts in question where physically examined.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)That's still a choke point and where things like drones and passing guards come into play.
You just need far less of them. Again, witness Israel. Yes, Hamas keeps trying to tunnel under the wall so they can kidnap and kill people. Sometimes they make it. But far less make it, and it takes a lot of effort. Most get stopped.
Again, the debate is not whether some sturdy barrier will slow things greatly. That's an obvious "yes".
The debate is why we need to stop things.
I don't see 1,000s of Mexicans clamoring to get into the USA to commit terror attacks like what was going on Israel.
I see lots of people coming for work and a better life.
That's not a valid reason for an extraordinary measure like a wall.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)object to.
After all if you have a number of them equipped with lidar as well as infrared (and ground penetrating radar for some) you could patrol the border effectively and dispatch border patrol teams to intercept them when it looks like someone is heading to the border to cross.
Bengus81
(6,933 posts)Will serve us better than some POS wall that could be gone under (five feet) in no time. Dems offer him money AGAIN--hasn't spent much from the last two years and want to work with technology but all he wants is his monument and to shut down Gov.
watoos
(7,142 posts)with spare batteries, and a bunch of cutting discs and I will cut a hole in the fence in a half hour big enough to drive a truck through.
House of Roberts
(5,186 posts).
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Wouldn't be that hard.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Those cutting discs eat steel, they come in handy around the house and are cheap.
mac56
(17,574 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Or how about unobtainium? That was the metal they made the drill out of in the ridiculous (but fun) sci-fi movie The Core. I think they used it again in Avatar.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)The Maginot Line.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)slack-bot
(79 posts)Every time I hear about these "steel slats" I can't help but think about Paul Newmann in the opening scene of Cool Hand Luke.
Feeling validated; thanks for sharing!
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)What were they thinking