BREAKING: Supreme Court reinstates Trump's ban on trans servicemembers in the military
Source: Think Progress
The Supreme Court handed down a pair of orders on Tuesday that effectively reinstate the Trump administrations ban on trans military service.
The cases are Trump v. Karnoski and Trump v. Stockman. In both cases, a lower court halted the ban. Tuesdays orders temporarily stay those lower court decisions while the cases make their way through the federal courts. The Supreme Court voted along party lines to stay these decisions, with Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan in dissent.
While the Republican-controlled Supreme Court was always likely to take up these cases eventually and always likely to rule in favor of Trump the Courts decision to permit the Trump administration to stay these lower court orders suggests that the Courts majority is especially eager to uphold Trumps policy.
Even setting aside the fact that the Courts Republican majority is unlikely to be sympathetic to transgender civil rights under any circumstances, courts are especially likely to defer to the elected branches on questions involving the military or national security.
Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/breaking-supreme-court-reinstates-trumps-ban-on-trans-servicemembers-in-the-military-a5b044d72862/
Ninga
(8,275 posts)bluestarone
(16,926 posts)Destroy our freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)See you in Trump's gulag
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)Damn.
Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)No lesbians nor gays?
Regardless of unique expertise, abilities, nor qualifications (IT, language knowledge, contact knowledge, etc.).
How exactly does this ruling make the country safer???
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)brace yourselves for a Nation that you do not recognize as America.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)since both parties are the same, there's no point voting, Hillary's emails, etc.
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)bluestarone
(16,926 posts)Really pisses me off too!!!! Hardly ever mention TURTLEFACE!!! What the fuck is wrong with them?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Would be my guess.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)who bad mouthed my candidate so much that others decided not to vote at all and I will NEVER forgive them.
Ohiogal
(31,989 posts)videohead5
(2,172 posts)In the white house would not fight for his country because his daddy had a doctor lie that he had bone spurs. These people have put their lives on the line and they get thrown out.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)The armed services accepts men. The armed services accepts women. The armed services places men in combat situations. The armed services places women in combat situations. What's the difference?
I would be concerned if someone was using the armed services just to have them pay for the surgery and then they skip out. That wouldn't be right. However if a person already made the transformation, why bother?
would be a housing issue. Real or perceived.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)trump supporters turned out to vote for trump to get rulings like this
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)mickswalkabout41
(145 posts)And I want their names and faces published to remind my childrens children what it was like to live under male authorism and racism. And the men who held those draconian values. Let them be remembered as Hitler is remembered.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)The military bans people with medical dependencies. For example, diabetes, even if well controlled. Even allergies can result in a ban.
This ban only applies to transgender people while dependent on hormones (e.g., testosterone or estrogen).
One the transition is complete, the ban does not apply.
We don't need to alarm people unnecessarily. Get their procedures complete, and go forward.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Is there a point when a transgender individual does NOT need hormones? I thought it was indefinite and/or lifelong.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But I don't really know.
If it's a lifetime medical treatment (esp injections), it would be a deal breaker, same as any chronic medical condition.
I know one guy that had very minor arthritis and when he started to have to get monthly injections, he ended up with a medical discharge.
Again, assuming you are correct, it would be odd to carve this kind of injection out from the general rule, if the goal is equal treatment.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Hormonal medications are usually life long.
LeftInTX
(25,304 posts)Basically it's the same thing....variation of a theme
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But I understand (from reading Wikipedia, the extent of my knowledge here) that the drugs used for transitioning are MUCH stronger than birth control and are done by a weekly shot.
Maybe not; I would encourage someone more knowledgeable on the topic than me to come forward.
Anyway, I've read the briefs on the SCOTUS blogs/websites.
The chronic condition/drug dependency issue is what the opinion will turn on, legally.
Just being blunt, the SCOTUS will have to find that the public policy reasons grossly outweighs the military necessity/bright line rules.
It's a long shot (and would even be a long shot with Ruth Bader active on the Court). There's a case regarding whether it was discriminatory to just require men to register for the selective service (it is not) that had similar public policy reasoning that would probably have to be overturned -- which probably won't happen.
Anyway, don't get your hopes up.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)aaargh
pack the court. this cannot continue for the foreseeable future.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)area51
(11,908 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)as Constitutional?
Doesnt it still have to be argued on a Constitutional level?
Am I just foolishly hanging onto some fallacy?
Leith
(7,809 posts)or is it a flying leap?
TommyCelt
(838 posts)The Dawning of Gilead.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)By now, you may have already heard the latest from our transgender military ban case, Karnoski v. Trump.
Just this morning, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to short-circuit the normal appeals process and has rejected the Trump administrations request; instead of prematurely ripping our case out of the lower courts, the Supreme Court agreed with us that the court of appeals should be allowed to rule on the constitutionality of the ban.
This means the fight continues.
But in a narrow 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court also granted the Trump administrations request that it be allowed to implement its discriminatory ban while our challenge works its way through the courts.
Transgender people who are serving our country, or who wish to serve, deserve much better than this, and we wont stop fighting for them.
You can count on it: This battle is far from over.
akraven
(1,975 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Rizen
(708 posts)because the supreme court. Elections have consequences.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... especially everyone else.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Democrats shouted it from the rooftops for months.