I hope she continues to ignore bad ideas like this.

“Open the government and then we’ll talk.”

And hopefully Trump won't notice!

I trust Nancy ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is an attempt by these democrats to position themselves as having "done something". It won't matter that they knew full well Trump wouldn't agree to it right now (and hasn't). It's no different than the Senate voting on a bill they know the House won't pass. Everyone is just trying to position themselves so as not to be blamed. Pelosi is absolutely right that the shutdown has to end before any substantive discussions go on about changes to the funding bills. This will become SOP by Trump and the GOP and we'll see it next on Planned Parenthood funding, and healthcare changes and...

So maybe the point is to prove it can’t pass.

That they fell to understand that if Trump (or any president) is able to hold the government hostage to get his way, and if successful, then what purpose does the Congress serve? This is effectively giving a president a ‘line item veto’ and an ability to ‘impose his personal will’ without regard to the will of the people.

Now, if successful, what will the POTUS demand next - because guess what, the “hostages” are still there, waiting to be used again, at his will.

Do NOT cave to trump and mcconnell, our domestic terrorists.

Next time we're held hostage?

why does these people feel the need to even ask this? Until trump takes action,this is on him. Once he ends the shutdown, then talks can proceed. It's not up to pelosi to bend over backwards

Probably not a big deal to hold a vote on the wall after the government is reopened, right?

Democrats have said all along that they're happy to talk border security. So get Trump to open up the government, then negotiate a border security package, including a vote on the wall (which will likely fail).

The irony is that once the shutdown is over, Trump will probably lose all interest in border security anyway and move on to his next piece of insanity. The shutdown has simply been a power play intended to deny Democrats the chance to participate in government.

From what the OP article basically says is - "Open the government (make Turtle bring the appropriations bills up for a vote in the Senate) and we will put the bs wall bill on the floor (knowing it won't pass)".

anything other than a vote ON the wall in February. Nothing says they have to vote FOR the wall.

rejected this with his, I’d lose my leverage comment.

That would never happen here.

And from my understanding, Majority House Speaker has already said this numerous times and in writing as well.

This WAS United States government policy until Trump ... we do NOT negotiate with terrorists or kidnappers or ransom notes. The "finding a solution" cannot begin until Trump stops holding a gun to the head of government workers like hostages. Period.

Government reopened? Negotiations can begin.
Government shut down by Trump? No deals, period.

Next time, it won't be just $5B for a nonsensical wall...it will be something akin to ending child labor laws or doing away with minimum wage again or allowing corporations to fire anyone unwilling to work 7 days a week. You give Trump and the GOP what they want because they are hurting Americans, they will not stop...and the Democratic Party will (again) look weak.

No.
As long as it takes for the people to rise up and force Trump to behave like a president instead of a mob boss or cut-rate button man.

Wow. I guess I'll have to reevaluate.

socially and economically. Just an old former hippie!

best friend? Are there 10 of them? A hundred. This point matters and it is carefully left out of the article.

trump is losing some of his base. So, now exactly how many is 80% when you don't ever know what is the total number?

Open the government and then debate, and have a vote, on Trump's wall independent of this budget fight.

If you are for writing and passing a bill that contains Trump's hostage demands, you are not for debating and voting on Trump's wall independently. The OP and independent consideration of the wall are mutually exclusive.

The house has passed what the last Senate passed, now it is up to the Senate to pass something, anything. Mitch is sitting on a post, helplessly, silently thrashing his limbs. He's a hypocrite if he passes a bill with wall funding, Trump will not get to pay off Russian steel oligarchs if he passes what they have already passed.

He'll lose. End of story.

Open the government, present your budget proposal, outlining where you want your money for DHS to go, and let us vote on it, pass a bill, send it to the Senate, let them vote, send it back to joint committee if necessary then on to the pResident to approve or veto. That's the way the government works.

the government is open. There is no reason why they wouldn't because he will surely lose. Everyone knows this. They are not proposing anything new.

This is just silly. And I'd love to know how many of the 430 representatives are in this "group." 5? 10? 2?

and THEN the vote, what's the fucking problem? What's wrong with seeing where EVERYONE falls on the issue?

They should stand together against trump and the gop , or they'll see this escalate to many other issues. The overwhelming majority are against a wall, and are on the Democrats side. Now is not the time to signal a split from the party positions, and those doing this cannot be backed if they'll do this to us now. They weaken the party when they show them this, and it'll prolong it even more. The government being used as a weapon by trump and the gop will become a standard operating option for them if they're allowed anything from doing this. These rouge Democrats will cause in the end more to suffer from their actions now.

pointless?

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Are they trying to get donors to the GOP to threaten funding from moderate republicans, to stop shutdown?

Where the hell are corporate donors on this issue, for that matter?

This is a typical spin from the "centrist", self-hating liberals over there. Talk to some aide in the Capitol hallway and make up some snarky story about whatever roils the pot.

"All those who object are soooooo stupid!" And another side saying "No!" when the proposal is actually meaningless. And the "group" seems to be one rep.

Seems it worked.

the next day that it was a big nothing

This is like the steel strikes at the Carnegie mills in the 20’s. Management knew they had the upper hand because the poor workers could not continue to go on without pay. They will continue to hurt these people and they don’t care.

And for $90, any Mexican with a passport, like most illegals, can hop a flight into the U.S. then just stay. $50 billion wall circumnavigated.

This is truly one of the dumbest arguments ever.

NO WALL!

If Nancy gives in now, Trump and GOP will keep doing this in the future to get whatever they want.

Trump cares little for the wall. It's a play for personal power.

The Republican party follows Trump's lead like some tame pet, Trump wants the Democrats to do the same.

Once he achieves that, the structure of government becomes meaningless. Processes like checks and balances go out the window.

Nancy isn't anti-wall, she is pro Democracy, US style. She can see the Trump yearn for a dictatorship. a Trump dynasty, a monarchy in everything but name.

Question I've asked before:

Is there anything in the Constitution that prevents a President from actively harming the people he is supposed to serve?
The normal checks and balances of the House and Senate processes don't seem to be working, with Trump actively working to demolish and trivialize them.

I guess the Founding Fathers never thought a mad person would ever get to be president.

Bit of a shortcoming there, in the Constitution. Some well thought out amendments needed there.

If you believed in reincarnation, you might start to think Trump is Mad King George come back to set things right.