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riversedge

(70,305 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:10 PM Jan 2019

Trump's Lawyer Said There Were "No Plans" For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.

Source: buzz feed

Rudy Giuliani claims the Moscow tower was barely more than a notion. “There were no drafts. Nothing in the file.” Documents obtained by BuzzFeed News tell a different story.

Posted on January 22, 2019, at 4:53 p.m. ET

The plan was dazzling: a glass skyscraper that would stretch higher than any other building in Europe, offering ultra-luxury residences and hotel rooms and bearing a famous name. Trump Tower Moscow, conceived as a partnership between Donald Trump’s company and a Russian real estate developer, looked likely to yield profits in excess of $300 million.

The tower was never built, but it has become a focal point of the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into Trump’s relationship with Russia in the lead-up to his presidency.

The president and his representatives have dismissed the project as little more than a notion — a rough plan led by Trump’s then-lawyer, Michael Cohen, and his associate Felix Sater, of which Trump and his family said they were only loosely aware as the election campaign gathered pace.

On Monday, his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said “the proposal was in the earliest stage,” and he went on to tell the New Yorker that “no plans were ever made. There were no drafts. Nothing in the file.”

However, hundreds of pages of business documents, emails, text messages, and architectural plans, obtained by BuzzFeed News over a year of reporting, tell a very different story. Trump Tower Moscow was a richly imagined vision of upscale splendor on the banks of the Moscow River................................

Read more: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/here-are-the-trump-moscow-plans

oh rudy, you are such a poor punk!

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Trump's Lawyer Said There Were "No Plans" For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are. (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2019 OP

Rump has no clue what plans are for anything. He has no idea NONE Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #1

Oh, you meant THESE plans. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2

Anyone ever think that tall narrow buildings are phallic symbols for spanky? George II Jan 2019 #3

Like his tie. The building should have had a huge piece of Scotch Tape on it (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #17

Wear Dependz, Rudy fascisthunter Jan 2019 #4

Russia/Putin were stringing Trump along about his Trump Tower Moscow project ... Botany Jan 2019 #5

exactly! lanlady Jan 2019 #12

What is the cost of drafting the plans for such a building? LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #6

For a new home, it's $500-$2,000/hour. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #7

A water facility for a small (under 1,000 population) town UpInArms Jan 2019 #10

Architect's fees alone canetoad Jan 2019 #16

Ivanka's "spa" UpInArms Jan 2019 #8

Next week he'll say, "I never said no plans were ever made." Harker Jan 2019 #9

+1 emulatorloo Jan 2019 #14

Ghoulani just keeps those lies spewing. They never stop. eom IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2019 #11

What, no onion dome? Giant mushroom cap? tanyev Jan 2019 #13

Buzzfeed had put something out back in November about a $50 million penthouse BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #15

Thanks for posting!!!!!......k and r...nt Stuart G Jan 2019 #18

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)

1. Rump has no clue what plans are for anything. He has no idea NONE

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:11 PM

Jan 2019

what zoning is or interest rates or strong dollar or laws or anything.

He knows nothing about anything in the world, nothing.

He had "plans" to have someone with a brain make plans...fucking idiot

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)

2. Oh, you meant THESE plans.

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:12 PM

Jan 2019

Trump's lies are so frequently exposed that it is almost performance art.

George II

(67,782 posts)

3. Anyone ever think that tall narrow buildings are phallic symbols for spanky?

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:13 PM

Jan 2019

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)

17. Like his tie. The building should have had a huge piece of Scotch Tape on it (nt)

Reply to George II (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 05:47 AM

Jan 2019

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)

4. Wear Dependz, Rudy

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:14 PM

Jan 2019

Botany

(70,584 posts)

5. Russia/Putin were stringing Trump along about his Trump Tower Moscow project ...

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:16 PM

Jan 2019

.... it was never going to be built because:

The Russians used Trump properties all over the world ... NYC, Panama, Azerbiajian,* and other
places ....to get their ill gotten millions out of Russian and to launder that money and a Trump tower
Moscow would not have helped in those endeavors.

* https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

I might be wrong on this but that would the 1st time in my lifetime of ever being wrong on anything.

lanlady

(7,135 posts)

12. exactly!

Reply to Botany (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:40 PM

Jan 2019

The Russians have made an art of studying their opponents' weaknesses and vulnerabilities, and exploiting them to the max. They correctly assessed that Trump is a stupid, shallow idiot but a very useful one -- a man driven by a grotesque ego who would stop at nothing to slap his name on a building in the land of his Russian paymasters.

LiberalFighter

(51,093 posts)

6. What is the cost of drafting the plans for such a building?

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:19 PM

Jan 2019

By September 2015, a New York architect had completed plans for a bold glass obelisk 100 stories high, to be topped by a gleaming, cut-diamond–like shape emblazoned on multiple sides with the Trump logo.

“The building design you sent over is very interesting,” the Russian real estate developer Andrey Rozov wrote to Cohen in September 2015, “and will be an architectural and luxury triumph. I believe the tallest building in Europe should be in Moscow, and I am prepared to build it.”

I doubt that Cohen would have the finances to front it himself.

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

7. For a new home, it's $500-$2,000/hour.

Reply to LiberalFighter (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:31 PM

Jan 2019

Depending on location, home size, land and infrastructure, it can cost between $500-$2,000 per hour per planner for a moderate architect from a moderate firm to draft plans for a new home (extended family member is an architect somewhere in Maine).

For a high-rise in a densely populated urban plot in a foreign land, my guess (this is a guess) would be increasing that fee by a factor of ten (minimum).

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)

10. A water facility for a small (under 1,000 population) town

Reply to LiberalFighter (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:34 PM

Jan 2019

Costs upwards of $20,000 ... and that’s just for plumbing and a hole in the ground ... in engineering fees

canetoad

(17,186 posts)

16. Architect's fees alone

Reply to LiberalFighter (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:01 PM

Jan 2019

Approximately 5% of total construction cost.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)

8. Ivanka's "spa"

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:32 PM

Jan 2019

Trump's daughter, Ivanka, who now serves as a White House senior adviser, was reportedly expected to oversee the development of a spa at the proposed tower. Ivanka owns her own spa brand, "The Spa by IVANKA TRUMP," which has locations in family projects like the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Vancouver.

Ivanka is also believed to have recommended an architect for the project and told Cohen to confer with a Russian athlete who had "synergy on a government level" to fast-track the multimillion the Trump Tower Moscow deal.

In a memo filed by Mueller in December, Cohen revealed to prosecutors that a "trusted person" in Russia had offered "political synergy" to members of the Trump campaign a year prior to the 2016 US presidential election.