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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:49 AM Jan 2019

The lowest-paid shutdown workers aren't getting back pay

Source: The Washington Post



By Danielle Paquette January 29 at 7:00 AM

-snip-

Unlike the 800,000 career public servants who are slated to receive full back pay over the next week or so, the contractors who clean, guard, cook and shoulder other jobs at federal workplaces aren’t legally guaranteed a single penny.

They’re also among the lowest-paid laborers in the government economy, generally earning between $450 and $650 weekly, union leaders say.

And even as they began returning to work Monday, they were bracing for more pain. President Trump’s new deadline for Congress to earmark funding for his proposed border wall is Feb. 15. Agencies could close again if no deal is reached.

-snip-

A group of Democratic senators introduced a bill last month aimed at changing that. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) have proposed legislation that would repay contractors up to $965 per week with public money and restore sick days used during the shutdown. (It’s unclear whether the bill will advance.)

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/29/lowest-paid-shutdown-workers-arent-getting-back-pay/

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The lowest-paid shutdown workers aren't getting back pay (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2019 OP
I Call Bullsh*t Roy Rolling Jan 2019 #1
Bingo!!!!! marble falls Jan 2019 #3
When I was stationed in DC, I had to work on contracting out the jobs the Navy was already doing Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #5
It sounds like you just described our medical system. area51 Jan 2019 #8
So, what are you calling "Bullsh*t" on?... DonViejo Jan 2019 #6
Im Calling Bullsh*it Roy Rolling Jan 2019 #11
Okay, got it; our definitions of bullsh*t differ but, no big deal. Thanks for the explanation DonViejo Jan 2019 #12
exactly, this is why I am so against privatization gopiscrap Jan 2019 #7
I don't call it Privatization ... aggiesal Jan 2019 #10
I agree with you I am going to start doing that now gopiscrap Jan 2019 #14
Yes, and this is why they should not be paid by y taxpayers Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #15
Yup BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #2
We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way IronLionZion Jan 2019 #4
Seems like kind of a metaphor. calimary Jan 2019 #9
Dotardnomics Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #13
Did 10 years of contract engineering.. Maxheader Jan 2019 #16

Roy Rolling

(6,938 posts)
1. I Call Bullsh*t
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jan 2019

Those lowest-paid "contract employees" are actually government employees, but for the intervention of another blood-sucking company hired to exploit workers when government employment protections are circumvented.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
5. When I was stationed in DC, I had to work on contracting out the jobs the Navy was already doing
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jan 2019

On shore. It was a long and rigorous process requiring a huge study and many, many reports identifying costs, expenses and time studies. Everything had to be identified and quantified from pens, to labor, to equipment.

Every single report clearly indicated it would cost more to contract out because you were adding a middle man to the equation that needed to make a profit. No exception. And yet they went ahead and contracted out all those jobs anyway. What a waste of time.

Contracting out is just a way for some rich white male campaign donor to make a fortune off our tax dollars.

area51

(11,923 posts)
8. It sounds like you just described our medical system.
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jan 2019
"Every single report clearly indicated it would cost more to contract out because you were adding a middle man to the equation that needed to make a profit. No exception. And yet they went ahead and contracted out all those jobs anyway."

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
6. So, what are you calling "Bullsh*t" on?...
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:51 AM
Jan 2019

As I'm sure you read in the article, 1300 employees went without pay after the 2013 Ted Cruz shutdown; it ain't "Bullsh*t" to them

Roy Rolling

(6,938 posts)
11. Im Calling Bullsh*it
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jan 2019

On the policy of reclassifying employees as contract labor. They are actually employees, but for clever and liberal reclassification in tax law.

That way, contractors can extract money from the government to do government work performed better and more efficiently, in many cases, by direct employees of the government.

Those 1300 who lost pay are actually employees and also deserve back pay, except for the intervention of a middleman to exploit the least-able to represent themselves in employment situations.

It's the flipside of the same corrupt system that paid an American contractor in Iraq $100,000 for work paid to an American soldier for $60,000.

aggiesal

(8,929 posts)
10. I don't call it Privatization ...
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jan 2019

I call it PROFITIZATION!

If we parse words the way R's do, we should all start using Profitization.

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
14. I agree with you I am going to start doing that now
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:03 PM
Jan 2019

btw love your logo the first real paycheck I got after coming to the US was from the Chicago Cubs org. I also learned how to drive in Chicago

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
15. Yes, and this is why they should not be paid by y taxpayers
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:01 AM
Jan 2019

They are illegally performing work (personnel services) and acting as a government agent.


They should write a bill forcing their COMPANY to pay them.

BumRushDaShow

(129,543 posts)
2. Yup
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:10 AM
Jan 2019

And while the M$M focused on the national parks and the overflowing trash, they showed their most lazy selves by ignoring the contractors that were normally the ones that clean that trash (not the civil service workers).

There are probably twice as many government contractors working in government offices than actual civil service workers - and a good number of them were contracted by GSA for building maintenance/cleaning/security and in some cases, food services. And sadly, which I know was the case for several federal buildings here in the Philly area, those contractors were supplied from organizations who employed special needs individuals - i.e., private industry refused to hire them but Uncle Sam WILL and DID.

IronLionZion

(45,541 posts)
4. We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jan 2019


Stuff like this is not how to make America great again. I bet these unpaid contractors have gotten tired of winning long ago.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
16. Did 10 years of contract engineering..
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jan 2019

Actually draft engineering...but the point is the shops I worked for
didn't legally have to pay me if a company shut down for a time...
They (the shop) weren't getting paid by the company..
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