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Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:37 PM Jan 2019

German court: Bell dedicated to Hitler can stay in church

Source: Associated Press


Updated 9:16 am CST, Wednesday, January 30, 2019

BERLIN (AP) — A German appeals court has rejected the complaint of a Jewish man against a town's decision to allow a bell dedicated to Adolf Hitler to continue to hang in a church tower.

The Koblenz state court on Wednesday upheld a lower court's rejection of the complaint from the unidentified relative of Holocaust survivors, who argued the bell was a "mockery and ridicule of the victims of Hitler's terror."

The Herxheim am Berg council voted last year to preserve the bell, which carries the inscription "Everything for the Fatherland - Adolf Hitler" above a swastika. It also announced plans to place an explanatory plaque nearby in the hope of sparking dialogue about violence and injustice.

The Koblenz court found the response appropriate, saying the town wasn't trying to downplay the Holocaust.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/world/article/German-court-Bell-dedicated-to-Hitler-can-stay-13573377.php



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German court: Bell dedicated to Hitler can stay in church (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2019 OP
I'd be interested to know what the "explanatory plaque" says. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #1
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You have to understand german mentality: They keep these Nazi-artifacts intact out of spite. DetlefK Jan 2019 #4
One of my cousins by marriage leftynyc Jan 2019 #5
It's one of those things that only matters if somebody goes out of their way to make an issue. Igel Jan 2019 #6
Germany (and Eastern Europe in general) have a different philosophy. summer_in_TX Jan 2019 #7

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. You have to understand german mentality: They keep these Nazi-artifacts intact out of spite.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jan 2019

In the city Karlsruhe is the "Brown House". Brown was the color of the NSDAP. The Brown House was a Gestapo-headquarter.

The house is preserved, the house is named, the house is remembered.
Punks, anarchists, extremist leftists... Nobody lays a hand on that house. Not a single scratch, not a single graffiti.
That house is kept intact.
Out of spite.
Germany refuses to let the right-wingers gloss over the past.
Germany refuses to let the right-wingers forget the past.



When you walk along ordinary sideways in german cities you will sometimes see an engraved brass coblestone. These cobblestones denote that people used to live at that address who were kidnapped by Nazis and killed.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. One of my cousins by marriage
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jan 2019

went to the dedication ceremony of one of those cobblestones for her mother's former home. Her mother would not go back to Germany so cousin waited until she passed and had it done. It was an extremely emotional ceremony that she brought her kids (first grandchild is on the way!!!) and her husband (my blood cousin) to. The pictures are beautiful.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
6. It's one of those things that only matters if somebody goes out of their way to make an issue.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jan 2019

The bell is in a church tower.

The church tower is fairly inaccessible to people who need to get to the bells. If you don't need access to the bells, you might see the darkened bell shape through the openings in the bell tower. But you'd be on the sidewalk 30, 40, maybe 50 feet below.

In other words, you can't see if there's anything on the bell, much less read it.

It's a bell. I doubt it sounds especially anti-Semitic and that it has few specifically Nazi overtones (in the sense "harmonics&quot .

On edit: If you look at the bell and the window, you'd even notice that the inscription faces *away* from the window. You could only see it from inside the bell tower.

summer_in_TX

(2,754 posts)
7. Germany (and Eastern Europe in general) have a different philosophy.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:36 PM
Jan 2019

They believe it is important to leave the actual places and symbols of the Holocaust up and to provide teaching plaques. That way, the history can never be glossed over or covered up in the nation's memory, nor can the complicity of ordinary Germans be overlooked.

So not done out of spite, and not imposed by victorious allies.

I heard a discussion of it on an episode of NPR's On the Media, comparing it to the amount of forgetting our own history has happened in the U.S. in communities and states that have had lynchings and massacres of blacks, and that has been something that the community never talked about afterwards.

The episode aired June 1, 2018, On the Media's "The Worst Thing We've Ever Done." They always air locally at a time I'm tied up so I subscribe to the podcasts. Always thought-provoking and well-done.

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