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ansible

(1,718 posts) Wed Feb 27, 2019, 03:30 AM Feb 2019

Kashmir escalation: Pakistan 'shoots down two Indian jets'

Source: bbc

Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian Air Force jets in a major escalation of the Kashmir conflict. An army spokesman said one of the planes had fallen inside Pakistan and a pilot had been arrested. There is no confirmation from India which claimed to have shot down a Pakistani aircraft.

Pakistan earlier said it had hit Indian targets, a day after India struck militants in Pakistan. The raids follow a militant attack in Kashmir which killed 40 Indian troops. Also on Wednesday, Pakistan's foreign ministry said Pakistani jets had launched air strikes across the Line of Control (LoC) dividing Pakistani- and Indian-controlled Kashmir.

Pakistan said it had "taken strikes at [a] non-military target, avoiding human loss and collateral damage".

Indian authorities said the Pakistani jets had been pushed back.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47383634

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Kashmir escalation: Pakistan 'shoots down two Indian jets' (Original Post) ansible Feb 2019 OP

Any comment from the Dotard? B Stieg Feb 2019 #1

Hes probably still trying to find them on a map oldsoftie Feb 2019 #6

Yeah, it's just west of Nipple and Button hatrack Feb 2019 #9

Dotard will solve this through tax cuts IronLionZion Feb 2019 #7

why are they fighting over a sweater JI7 Feb 2019 #8

Soft luxurious wool is worth fighting for IronLionZion Feb 2019 #10

When you're in India, Google Maps shows all of Kashmir and the Karakoram as being in India Recursion Feb 2019 #15

Here is the AP article that provides additional details: TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #2

Link to DW nitpicker Feb 2019 #3

another war johnsolaris Feb 2019 #4

BBC live thread link nitpicker Feb 2019 #5

Two nuclear powers, in active fighting. And Trump has zero to say? Coventina Feb 2019 #11

The Indian Mig-21's were supposed to have been phased out by 2017. OnlinePoker Feb 2019 #12

That should end well. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2019 #13

Jesus Recursion Feb 2019 #14

The silence from the State Dept saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #16

Per State's release yesterday, Pompeo is in direct contact with the Indian and Pakistani FMs Recursion Feb 2019 #17

see comment below, thanks for the heads up saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #19

oops, missed the article saying Pompeo saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #18

Or, how about travel advisories for Americans in the area? Coventina Feb 2019 #20

India, Pakistan claim to down each other's jets as Kashmir conflict heats up Eugene Feb 2019 #21

India says expects safe return of pilot held by Pakistan Eugene Feb 2019 #22

This seems to be getting little coverage by the media here in the US inwiththenew Feb 2019 #23

Let's two countries that have nuclear capabilities.............. turbinetree Feb 2019 #24

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)

1. Any comment from the Dotard?

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 03:53 AM

Feb 2019

Probably not.

oldsoftie

(12,597 posts)

6. Hes probably still trying to find them on a map

Reply to B Stieg (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:30 AM

Feb 2019

hatrack

(59,592 posts)

9. Yeah, it's just west of Nipple and Button

Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:21 AM

Feb 2019

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)

7. Dotard will solve this through tax cuts

Reply to B Stieg (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:48 AM

Feb 2019

or attack a completely unrelated country. Dude might even go to war with the state of Indiana over this. Build the border wall around Indiana!

JI7

(89,264 posts)

8. why are they fighting over a sweater

Reply to B Stieg (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:05 AM

Feb 2019

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)

10. Soft luxurious wool is worth fighting for

Reply to JI7 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:25 AM

Feb 2019

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

15. When you're in India, Google Maps shows all of Kashmir and the Karakoram as being in India

Reply to JI7 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 11:55 AM

Feb 2019

So, e.g. K2 is considered the highest point in India rather than Kangchenjunga.

When Radcliffe drew the line he left a bit of the Punjab in India for reasons nobody has understood then or since. That strip of valley made it possible to move Indian troops into Kashmir. Kashmir itself was basically entirely Muslim -- except for the Raja, Harry Singh, who was Hindu despite his name, who got to decide which country his would belong to (Radcliffe may in fact have left that bit of Indian Punjab to make Singh's choice realistic). Unfortunately Singh tried to play India and Pakistan off of each other to gain independence, and failed miserably. (Also I'd imagine you know most of this; this is for the lurkers.)

While the luxury textile economy is no doubt desirable on its own, the real point of the fight over Kashmir is whether or not India can block China's access to Pakistan.

TexasTowelie

(112,417 posts)

2. Here is the AP article that provides additional details:

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 04:28 AM

Feb 2019

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/26/breaking-news/pakistan-says-it-shot-down-2-indian-warplanes/

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)

3. Link to DW

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 06:29 AM

Feb 2019

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-military-shoots-down-two-indian-aircraft/a-47701390

johnsolaris

(220 posts)

4. another war

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:02 AM

Feb 2019

Hi,
another war far far away from us should not worry our country, except that both sides have nuclear weapons & have rattled the saber before.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)

5. BBC live thread link

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:10 AM

Feb 2019

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47383889

Coventina

(27,172 posts)

11. Two nuclear powers, in active fighting. And Trump has zero to say?

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:26 AM

Feb 2019

We are doomed.

OnlinePoker

(5,725 posts)

12. The Indian Mig-21's were supposed to have been phased out by 2017.

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:40 AM

Feb 2019

I'm surprised they're still being used as front-line fighters, unless India is just using them as bait to escalate the confrontation.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)

13. That should end well. nt

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:45 AM

Feb 2019

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

14. Jesus

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 11:47 AM

Feb 2019

This could get really out of hand really quickly

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)

16. The silence from the State Dept

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 12:49 PM

Feb 2019

and the White House is telling. Hey rubes in the media look over here, nothing more important than a photo op with an enemy.

"War at the Top of the World", is a quick read on the politics of Kashmir and nuclear weapons proliferation. imo

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

17. Per State's release yesterday, Pompeo is in direct contact with the Indian and Pakistani FMs

Reply to saidsimplesimon (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 01:04 PM

Feb 2019

And is urging both to communicate with each other and avoid any military escalations.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)

19. see comment below, thanks for the heads up

Reply to Recursion (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 01:09 PM

Feb 2019

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)

18. oops, missed the article saying Pompeo

Reply to saidsimplesimon (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 01:08 PM

Feb 2019

issued a statement, had called the ministers of both nations and "urged" restraint.

Terrorist Kim gets a state visit and not a mention of State Dept. travel to meet with these leaders to broker a peace deal?

Coventina

(27,172 posts)

20. Or, how about travel advisories for Americans in the area?

Reply to saidsimplesimon (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 02:04 PM

Feb 2019

"Hey, these two are inches from nuking each other, probably best to stay away..."

Eugene

(61,945 posts)

21. India, Pakistan claim to down each other's jets as Kashmir conflict heats up

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 02:10 PM

Feb 2019

Source: Reuters

WORLD NEWS FEBRUARY 27, 2019 / 12:55 AM / UPDATED 7 MINUTES AGO

India, Pakistan claim to down each other's jets as Kashmir conflict heats up

James Mackenzie, Alasdair Pal
9 MIN READ

ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India and Pakistan both said they shot down each other’s fighter jets on Wednesday, with Pakistan capturing an Indian pilot a day after Indian warplanes struck inside Pakistan for the first time since a 1971 war, prompting world powers to urge restraint.

Both countries have ordered air strikes over the last two days, the first time in history that two nuclear-armed powers have done so, while ground forces have exchanged fire in more than a dozen locations.

Tensions have been running high since a Feb. 14 suicide car bombing by Pakistan-based militants in Indian-controlled Kashmir killed at least 40 Indian paramilitary police, but the risk of conflict rose dramatically on Tuesday when India launched an air strike on what it said was a militant training base.

A senior Indian government source said that 300 militants were killed in Tuesday’s strike. Pakistan says no one was killed.

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Eugene

(61,945 posts)

22. India says expects safe return of pilot held by Pakistan

Reply to ansible (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 02:14 PM

Feb 2019

Source: Reuters

WORLD NEWS FEBRUARY 27, 2019 / 9:00 AM / UPDATED 12 MINUTES AGO

India says expects safe return of pilot held by Pakistan

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India’s foreign ministry said on Wednesday it had told Pakistan’s acting high commissioner that New Delhi expects the immediate and safe return of a military pilot held by Pakistan.

India and Pakistan both said they shot down each other’s fighter jets on Wednesday, a day after Indian warplanes struck inside Pakistan for the first time since a 1971 war, prompting world powers to urge restraint.

India said it had lost one of its planes in combat with Pakistan over Kashmir and a pilot was missing. It summoned Pakistan’s acting envoy to serve a diplomatic demarche.

“It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defense personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return,” the foreign ministry said in a statement.

Reporting by Aftab Ahmed; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-kashmir-pilot/india-says-expects-safe-return-of-pilot-held-by-pakistan-idUSKCN1QG1WU