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Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 01:03 AM Mar 2019

'Second Amendment Sanctuary' movement called a 'childish pity party' by Democratic governor

Source: USA Today


Joel Shannon, USA TODAY Published 9:32 p.m. ET Feb. 28, 2019

The governor of New Mexico took to Twitter on Tuesday and criticized a wave of "Second Amendment Sanctuary" resolutions passed by counties across the state.

More than half of the state's 33 counties have passed resolutions in opposition to a series of what they called gun control bills being considered by the state Legislature. Such “sanctuary” resolutions often say sheriffs should not have to enforce measures they consider unconstitutional. Officials have said the resolutions are symbolic in nature.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, criticized the movement in a series of Tweets: "A few law enforcement officers in this state have been making noise about how they won’t enforce gun safety measures because they don’t like them. That’s not how laws work, of course, and it’s not how oaths of office work either."

Grisham wrote she would continue to advocate for gun reforms, despite "NRA propaganda, rogue sheriffs throwing a childish pity party or bad-faith critics."

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/28/new-mexico-governor-criticizes-second-amendment-sanctuary-movement/3022175002/

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'Second Amendment Sanctuary' movement called a 'childish pity party' by Democratic governor (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2019 OP
That's my Goob! TygrBright Mar 2019 #1
And, sadly, that's my County. Cowboys for Trump made it to Fox duhneece Mar 2019 #14
Sad because our county Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #17
Good for her. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #2
Couldn't help myself... pecosbob Mar 2019 #3
This is why any regulation has to been at the Federal Level Cryptoad Mar 2019 #4
Rural sheriffs across the west will protest federal laws in this way as well. Here in blue KPN Mar 2019 #13
That they would try and hitch their shitty little wagon to an ongoing humanitarian issue jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #5
It's childish, ignorant, and inane. J_William_Ryan Mar 2019 #6
Someone has to stand up to the NRA forklift Mar 2019 #7
How Laws Work - 101 CDerekGo Mar 2019 #8
Federal over State? forthemiddle Mar 2019 #15
The Role of State Law Enforcement discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2019 #16
The NRA sold me out !!!! Mustellus Mar 2019 #9
"we won't enforce melm00se Mar 2019 #10
Apples & Oranges ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #21
Is it? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2019 #22
LEOs Are Paid To Enforce STATE LAWS ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #23
Well as long it's their job... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2019 #25
Next Time, Make A Point ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #33
My point is simple discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2019 #39
I was wondering how much power a governor has to sanction the county/local law enforcement. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #26
I guess it just depends on christx30 Mar 2019 #27
Ha! Love it! Coventina Mar 2019 #11
Interesting because when the GOP is making the gun rules at the top of the state level BumRushDaShow Mar 2019 #12
County Mounties ain't worth shit BlueIdaho Mar 2019 #18
Maybe they should just follows their orders? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2019 #20
We're gonna get the guns. And we're gonna purge law enforcement of confirmed white supremacists. FreepFryer Mar 2019 #19
"We're gonna get the guns" EX500rider Mar 2019 #28
This one right here, Shooty! FreepFryer Mar 2019 #30
So in other words, none. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #31
You're great. Thanks! (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2019 #32
"We're gonna get the guns." Devil Child Mar 2019 #34
Apparently the answers are all in some canceled TV show clips on Utube lol nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #35
TV show? LOL! Democrats ought to know their history :) FreepFryer Mar 2019 #36
By history you mean entertainment history? Because that clip is not from real life. EX500rider Mar 2019 #37
You must have been sleeping through President Andrew Shepherd's term. Devil Child Mar 2019 #38
2a-ers don't like it but Maxheader Mar 2019 #24
"even though the probability is infinitesimal" EX500rider Mar 2019 #29

duhneece

(4,116 posts)
14. And, sadly, that's my County. Cowboys for Trump made it to Fox
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:49 AM
Mar 2019

My County Commissioner rode horses to DC to shake hands with trump. See Facebook’s ‘Cowboys for Trump.’ I filed an Ethics Complaint

Turin_C3PO

(14,033 posts)
17. Sad because our county
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:51 PM
Mar 2019

is overwhelmingly blue and liberal. We do have a few too many gun humpers though. Oh and screw our so called Democratic sheriff Frank Gomez for being the leader of this circus.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
13. Rural sheriffs across the west will protest federal laws in this way as well. Here in blue
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:36 AM
Mar 2019

Oregon they have already challenged federal law enforcement on federal public lands politically -- making the same kinds of statements: "we won't enforce federal laws where we disagree with those laws/regulations; we will not enforce any federal law/regulation that infringes on our citizens' constitutional rights".

They call themselves Constitutional Sheriffs and oppose gun regulation as well as sanctuary cities and any State limitations on cooperation with ICE. In short, they are radical right-wingers.

The federal regulations/laws in themselves won't fix this. That will require either a constitutional amendment to the 2nd Amendment that redefines the "right to bear arms", or public enlightenment, or both.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
5. That they would try and hitch their shitty little wagon to an ongoing humanitarian issue
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:41 AM
Mar 2019

shows what vile creatures they are.

The tide of history and progress is not on their side. They better enjoy their little shit show now while they can.

J_William_Ryan

(1,756 posts)
6. It's childish, ignorant, and inane.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:20 AM
Mar 2019

Only the courts have the authority to determine if a given firearm regulatory measure is Constitutional or not – not local county sheriffs.

 

forklift

(401 posts)
7. Someone has to stand up to the NRA
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:40 AM
Mar 2019

and its childish antics supported with the same zeal as a 3 year old who refuses to put the toys away at bedtime.

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
8. How Laws Work - 101
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 09:49 AM
Mar 2019

State over Local - Federal over State. If you don't like, there's always Canada, where Gun Laws are even more extreme.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
16. The Role of State Law Enforcement
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:19 AM
Mar 2019
Prepared by Judy Appel, Esq. & Daniel Abrahamson, Esq. For the Honorable Members of the Alameda County Board of Supervisors
Parameters of State Regulation and Enforcement
States, not the federal government, are the principal purveyors of criminal codes. Congress' authority to enact criminal laws is greatly circumscribed by the Constitution.
Only when federal and state laws directly conflict is federal law supreme. When there is no direct conflict, states retain the authority to legislate as they see fit.
https://www.safeaccessnow.org/the_role_of_state_law_enforcement

And from SCOTUS: Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997)
Primary Holding
The federal government violated the Tenth Amendment when Congress required state and local officials to perform background checks on people buying guns.


The 10A: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

IMHO, states have the general power and duty to enact and enforce laws governing criminal behavior within the state. Areas where the federal government has nexus are limited to those areas proscribed within the Constitution.
In my humblest opinion, Congress and federal law enforcement is not the band aid to fix issues within states. The New Mexico Governor herself demonstrated the independence of states from the federal government by withdrawing NG troops from the Mexico border in spite of the "national security crisis" trump claims exists. That door swings both ways.

Mustellus

(328 posts)
9. The NRA sold me out !!!!
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 09:53 AM
Mar 2019

The Second Amendment says "arms", not "guns".

And the NRA opposes private ownership of nuclear weapons. I need one for protection. (Just one, admittedly... ) And those namby pamby librls at the NRA sold out the Constitution to get their guns... and sold the rest of us responsible nuclear physicists down the river.*

(and now that we've established that there's a line where private ownership of weaponry ends.. lets discuss where that line should be.... )








* PS: this is sarcasm FBI. I'm kidding.

melm00se

(4,994 posts)
10. "we won't enforce
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 09:58 AM
Mar 2019

immigration statutes and offer sanctuary status" - yeah for them

"we won't enforce gun control legislation and off sanctuary status" - they are nothing but a bunch of shitheads.

hmmmm.....

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
21. Apples & Oranges
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:05 AM
Mar 2019

Local officials failing to enforce their own STATE laws is not the same as ignoring fed laws within state jurisdiction.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
22. Is it?
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:41 AM
Mar 2019

"More than half of the state's 33 counties have passed resolutions in opposition to..."

Fed vs local. State vs local.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
23. LEOs Are Paid To Enforce STATE LAWS
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:46 AM
Mar 2019

They are not paid to enforce federal laws. There are other agencies for that.
Those 33 counties do not have the power to decide what state laws are. That's for the state legislature.
Hence, choosing to not enforce the state law is a failure to do the job for which they're compensated.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
39. My point is simple
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:34 PM
Mar 2019

When I vote, I vote for all of that person. I am thankful that there are folks who will exercise their own judgement rather than simply follow all their orders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
Superior orders, often known as the Nuremberg defense, lawful orders or by the German phrase Befehl ist Befehl (an order is an order), is a plea in a court of law that a person—whether a member of the military, law enforcement, a firefighting force, or the civilian population—not be held guilty for actions ordered by a superior officer or an official.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
26. I was wondering how much power a governor has to sanction the county/local law enforcement.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 10:24 AM
Mar 2019

We see state governments using emergency powers to step in and firing local officials in states like Michigan.

Since counties and cities are created under state charters can the state sanction or fire local law enforcement for failing to follow the law?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
27. I guess it just depends on
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 12:55 PM
Mar 2019

if the local law enforcement person is elected or if they are appointed. Elected sheriffs have enormous power. And as long as the voters are happy with their performance, they can pretty much do whatever they want, writhing the bounds of the constitution. And you can’t just fire someone that was elected.
So I guess it just depends on how the local voters feel about state gun laws.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
12. Interesting because when the GOP is making the gun rules at the top of the state level
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 10:32 AM
Mar 2019

they do JUST what this Democratic governor is doing, but go one step further by enacting legislation that disallows mostly Democratic counties (usually urban areas) from imposing stricter rules to enhance the lax or non-existent state rules.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
18. County Mounties ain't worth shit
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:56 PM
Mar 2019

Anywhere in these United States. They are a vestige of the past and have no place in modern society. Any fucking cop who says they will decide which laws they will enforce based on their personal beliefs needs to lose their paycheck and their pension.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
19. We're gonna get the guns. And we're gonna purge law enforcement of confirmed white supremacists.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 12:00 AM
Mar 2019

Fuck their feelings.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
34. "We're gonna get the guns."
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:47 PM
Mar 2019

How? Seems in some locations "getting the guns" might be difficult if the law enforcement agencies are choosing to just say no to enforcing the new restrictions.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
37. By history you mean entertainment history? Because that clip is not from real life.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:09 PM
Mar 2019

I figured it was West Wing but I guess it's from some movie.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
38. You must have been sleeping through President Andrew Shepherd's term.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:19 PM
Mar 2019

Looks like you can see what you missed with a rental at amazon or streaming service of your choice.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
24. 2a-ers don't like it but
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:47 AM
Mar 2019

If you take just one gun off the streets, even though the probability is infinitesimal..it will save a life.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
29. "even though the probability is infinitesimal"
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:11 PM
Mar 2019

Well with over 300 million guns and about 10,000 firearm homicides per year taking one gun off the streets does indeed have a infinitesimal chance of preventing a homicide.
The chances of it backfiring and getting more Pro-NRA Republicans elected though is significantly higher.

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