California transit agency allows ad from Holocaust denial group
Source: The Guardian
A San Francisco public transit agency has approved adverts from a group that promotes Holocaust denial and antisemitic views, claiming the organization has a free speech right to buy train station billboards.
Bay Area Rapid Transit (Bart) officials defended their decision to allow ads for the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), which the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has classified as a hate group that aims to defend Nazism and spread Holocaust denial propaganda.
The electronic billboards, which say History Matters! and provide the name of the California-based organization, are in rotation at two Bart stations in San Francisco. They come at a time when antisemitic incidents have accelerated at alarming rates in the US and across the world, and as far-right groups and neo-Nazis have increasingly pushed racist and fascist views under the guise of advocating for free speech.
We cannot deny the ads, a Bart spokeswoman, Alicia Trost, said in an interview on Tuesday, noting that the agency does not endorse the message or group. You have to look at it for exactly what words are used and what images are used
There is plenty of case law and court rulings that show if you deny the ad, you can be taken to court, and youll lose, and thats obviously costly.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/12/california-transit-agency-bart-ad-antisemitism
Aristus
(66,462 posts)I just hope civil rights groups will counter with public displays of their own decrying the Holocaust-deniers.
Auggie
(31,191 posts)marble falls
(57,240 posts)for tearing one of those down.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,613 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)The response was as other members have already posted. Freedom of Speech is a pillar for our Constitutional Republic, so I'm told, that means even the most racist, bigoted, misogynistic, or antisemitic speech is protected.
There is also nothing to prevent anyone from protesting such speech, shaming the behaviour and attempting to inflict financial damage upon those who abuse others.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)ripcord
(5,537 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)How can someone deny the activities of Nazi Germany during World War II? This doesn't even make sense. They think it didn't happen??? Might as well deny the sun comes up and goes down each day.
By the same token, having this mythical belief seems to be of little threat to anyone who is a rational human being. Of course it happened. Documentation as well as first person verification should be enough proof to make these deniers look like bat shit crazy fools.
Please let me know what I am missing.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)It seems to work for Turkey, denying the Armenian genocide.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)I know there are all sorts of religious wackos...the earth is 6 million years old, etc, etc, etc, etc. Some pretty crazy shit.
I guess my point is they are nuts. I know it's an insult to reality...but ...I just thinks its so asinine. Like if I drink gasoline I'll be able to run faster.
Guess I have no point other than it is so damned absurd to even give them attention.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Can the transit system be held liable if patrons chose to do that??
PSPS
(13,614 posts)In other words, they'll do (allow) anything for money.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)Transit agencies charge customers 50% or less of the actual cost.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)As it is, many don't understand the Holocaust, and too many (IMO) don't even know about the Holocaust, so revisionism and denialism are going to become more prevalent. Then, there is the anti-Semitism of it all, which is on the rise and barely gets noticed until a bunch of us are gunned down, then it is quickly forgotten and it is back to business as usual hoo-hooing about anti-Semitism being called out, until it leads to the inevitable..."The Jews did it!"
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)This is another altogether.
It is the complete denial of an historical event that is so well-documented that there is no sane, rational or intelligent argument that can be made to refute what happened. It is an attempt to diminish the barbaric savagery that one group of deranged people visited upon another group of people they considered inferior and therefore treated them without any human compassion or empathy.
I look upon such people who deny the Holocaust as deeply mentally- or emotionally- disturbed people who do not deserve to be engaged or validated in any way. I refuse to waste even a nano of my time on such intentional stupidity. I feel the same way about these Q Anon buffoons.
There will come a time when we will be forced to stop the proliferation of this garbage.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)If you're not willing to accept free speech that you disagree with (or even despise), you're applying a personal subjective standard on what's acceptable, and if you can do that, so can others. If a pro-Palestinian ad (yes, they exist) was blocked for being politically controversial, how would you feel?
Mosby
(16,358 posts)jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)It is violence.