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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:07 PM Mar 2019

Trump's envoy for Venezuela dismissed US military action there during a Russian prank call

Source: Associated Press

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The US envoy for Venezuela dismissed the possibility of American military action in the South American country in a recording made by two Russian pranksters and released Wednesday.

Special Representative Elliott Abrams said in the recording that the US wouldn't use force in Venezuela unless the government did something "completely crazy" like attack the American Embassy.

But Abrams, who apparently believed he was speaking with a Swiss official, said the US seeks to "make the Venezuelan military nervous" by not publicly ruling out military action to oust President Nicolas Maduro.

"We think it is a mistake tactically to give them endless reassurances that there will never be American military action," he said. "But I can tell you this is not what we are doing. What we are doing is exactly what you see, financial pressure, economic pressure, diplomatic pressure."

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-envoy-dismisses-military-force-in-venezuela-in-prank-call-2019-3

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catbyte

(34,403 posts)
1. Elliott Abrams, FFS.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:38 PM
Mar 2019

He should be in prison. God, I HATE this criminal enterprise masquerading as an "administration."

 

Mr. Smith

(65 posts)
2. That sonofabitch is a war criminal. He should be in the Hague.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 04:22 PM
Mar 2019

For what he did to Central America in the 1980s under St. Reagan.

If you support overthrowing Maduro in Venezuela, this is who you're aligning with. Along with John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. And Latin American ultra-rightists like Duque in Colombia and Bolsonaro in Brazil.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
3. Please don't canonize Reagan randomly. Only helps the CONservatives raise him up in search engines
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:22 PM
Mar 2019

and other ways of enhancing his profile.

I know that it is sardonic to call him a "saint" but best only to do so in threads where CONservative reverence for him is a topic. No need to carry CONservative water needlessly.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
7. The fascists attempting to control this country are determined to white wash their filthy crimes.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:17 PM
Mar 2019

They'll do it forever if someone doesn't stop them.

Very tiny review of Elliot Abrams' career highlights:

Abrams was the key man in Reagan administration policy toward Central America, when that administration was abetting what a court recently ruled was a genocide in Guatemala, when the U.S. was backing the army of El Salvador in a series of death squad assassinations and massacres, and when the U.S. was invading Nicaragua with a Contra force that went after what one U.S. general described as “soft targets,” meaning civilians, things like cooperatives.

http://warcriminalswatch.org/index.php/the-culpable/36-the-culprits/58-elliotabrams

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
8. Rep. Ilhan Omar had a heated exchange with Trump's Venezuela envoy over his role in the US's violent
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:38 PM
Mar 2019

Rep. Ilhan Omar had a heated exchange with Trump's Venezuela envoy over his role in the US's violent history in Central America

Christopher Woody and John Haltiwanger Feb. 13, 2019, 6:01 PM

. . .

In a contentious exchange before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday, Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar confronted Elliott Abrams, the Trump administration's special envoy for Venezuela, over his role in US policy toward Central America in the 1980s — a period marked by brutal actions by US-backed forces in the region.

. . .

"I fail to understand why members of this committee or the American people should find any testimony that you give today to be truthful," Omar said. Abrams was later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush, who was Reagan's vice president.

. . .

Abrams began to reply and said Omar's statement "wasn't a question," but he was quickly cut off. The two sparred before Omar moved to Abrams' Senate testimony a few months after the December 1981 massacre in the Salvadoran village of El Mozote.

A Human Rights Watch report said Abrams in his testimony "artfully distorted several issues in order to discredit the public accounts" of the infamous massacre to downplay the Reagan administration's role. The forces responsible for the 1981 mass killing were trained and armed by the US.

More:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ilhan-omar-elliott-abrams-testimony-on-venezuela-central-america-2019-2/

~ ~ ~

An Actual American War Criminal May Become Our Second-Ranking Diplomat

Elliott Abrams spent the Reagan years abetting genocide—now, he has been floated as Trump’s deputy secretary of state.

By Eric Alterman
FEBRUARY 2, 2017

. . .

Like Trump himself, Abrams has behaved so badly in so many different arenas, it actually works in his favor: No one can keep up. The Post piece—which notes that the Trump administration has decided not to appoint a deputy secretary of state for management, giving the sole remaining deputy an enormous amount of influence over both policy and management issues—observes that Abrams was forced to plead guilty to deliberately misleading Congress regarding his nefarious role in the Iran-contra scandal. (He was also disbarred in the District of Columbia.)

However, this is just the tip of a colossal iceberg. As a member of George W. Bush’s National Security Council staff, Abrams encouraged, according to credible reports, a (briefly successful) military coup against the democratically elected government of Venezuela in 2002, poisoning the US relationship with that government once it returned to power. He also worked to subvert the results of the 2006 elections in the Palestinian territories, a move that ended up strengthening the most radical elements of Hamas and undermining—perhaps forever—the possibility of a democratic peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

. . .

Promoted to assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs, Abrams repeatedly denounced the continued protests by organizations seeking to call attention to the mass murders of both Ríos Montt and the no less bloodthirsty President Vinicio Cerezo Arévalo, who came to power fewer than three years later. In one village during the latter’s reign, “the army herded the entire population into the courthouse, raped the women, beheaded the men, and took the children outside to smash them to death against rocks,” according to Inevitable Revolutions, Walter LaFeber’s classic history of the United States in Central America. At the time, a leader of the Guatemalan Mutual Support Group (an organization of mothers of the disappeared), her brother, and her 3-year-old son were found dead in their wrecked car. Abrams not only supported the nonsensical official explanation (there was “no evidence indicating other than that the deaths were due to an accident”), he also denounced a spokeswoman for the group who demanded an investigation, insisting that she had “no right to call herself a human rights worker.” When The New York Times published an op-ed challenging the official State Department count of the mass murders under way—by a woman who had witnessed a death-squad-style assassination in broad daylight in Guatemala City without ever seeing it mentioned in the press—Abrams lied outright in a letter to the editor, even citing an imaginary story in a nonexistent newspaper to insist that the man’s murder had, in fact, been reported.

More:
https://www.thenation.com/article/an-actual-american-war-criminal-may-become-our-second-ranking-diplomat/

Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #8)

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
10. The damage they leave behind in the lives of people they harm is irreparable,
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:06 AM
Mar 2019

because of the trauma, suffering, grief it causes those who survive, even.

There is no part of them which can be exonerated. Everything they do is evil.

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