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Eugene

(61,964 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:36 AM Mar 2019

Trump administration proposes overtime pay expansion

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Labor issued a long-awaited proposal on Thursday to extend mandatory overtime pay to a million more workers, far fewer than an Obama administration rule that was struck down by a federal judge.

Currently, salaried workers are automatically entitled to overtime pay only if they earn less than $23,660 a year, a figure set in 2004. The proposal released on Thursday would raise the threshold to $35,308.

The Labor Department in 2016 doubled the salary threshold to about $47,000, extending mandatory overtime pay to about 4 million U.S. workers.

But a federal judge in Texas ruled the following year that the ceiling was set so high that it could sweep in some management workers who are supposed to be exempt from overtime pay protections. Business groups and 21 Republican-led states had sued to challenge the 2016 rule.

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BUSINESS NEWS MARCH 7, 2019 / 6:53 PM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Daniel Wiessner
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Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-overtime/trump-administration-proposes-overtime-pay-expansion-idUSKCN1QO2UW

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Trump administration proposes overtime pay expansion (Original Post) Eugene Mar 2019 OP
Every employee should be eligible for overtime. Otherwise, it's legalized wage theft. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #1
Even a CEO ? MichMan Mar 2019 #2
No. CEOs aren't employees. They're officers who set their own hours. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #3
Thank you for expressing this so succinctly. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #4
Glad you saw the light early. So many don't until it's too late. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #5
Is someone like LeBron James or Tom Brady an employee then? MichMan Mar 2019 #6
Can't figure this one out. FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #7

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
3. No. CEOs aren't employees. They're officers who set their own hours.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:04 AM
Mar 2019

An employee can't set their own hours. The whole justification of exempting "salaried" employees is that they can set their own hours, so after days of working late, they can decide to spend days leaving early. But that really only applied to the boss, the CEO. No employees have that kind of autonomy. The exemption was a scam from day one.

There is a huge difference between an employee and an officer, MichMan. By definition an employee is an individual who provides labor to a company or another person, while an officer directs that person's labor and has a position of authority in a hierarchical organization.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
4. Thank you for expressing this so succinctly.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:19 AM
Mar 2019

As someone who worked lots of overtime in my life, all of which I was paid for, I would be in a constant state of rage had I not been eligible for overtime, despite the long hours I worked.

If you are not in a position to effectively say, No, then you should always get the overtime pay.

One of the things that is very wrong with our culture is that people are expected to live to work, to give everything to the job, never mind family or personal life. And that's totally fucked. Work should come second, at best, to living.

I am fortunate in that I figured that out many years ago, that I was not my job. And it came about because I started a volunteer stint at the Natural History Museum of the Smithsonian. Before doing that I identified myself totally with my job. During the docent training I quickly understood that I was not my job. I was a person who did that job. It transformed me. And to this day I will argue with people about this.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
5. Glad you saw the light early. So many don't until it's too late.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:04 AM
Mar 2019

No one ever lay on their deathbed and said, "I wish I had spent more time at work."

MichMan

(11,978 posts)
6. Is someone like LeBron James or Tom Brady an employee then?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:02 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:45 AM - Edit history (1)

I disagree with your definition of what level of employees should receive overtime. There are many levels of employees from low lever supervisor to high level middle management. Not all of them should be eligible for overtime pay.

Games can go into overtime periods and as far as I know they don't get paid any extra. Pretty sure they don't get to set their own hours either.

"Sorry coach, can't play the big game on Sunday, made other plans "

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