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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:02 AM Sep 2012

GOP elector resigns, says she can't support Romney

Source: AP

One of the Republican appointees to the Electoral College abruptly resigned from her post Thursday after publicly questioning whether she would support the party's presidential ticket when casting official votes after the November election.

Melinda Wadsley of Ames, Iowa, told The Associated Press that she could not in good conscience vote for party nominee Mitt Romney. Wadsley was among three electors who had told the AP for a story published Thursday that they were exploring alternatives should Romney win their states.

"I have always been a straight ticket Republican, and for the first time in my life I am an undecided voter, therefore, I need to resign my position as a Republican presidential elector," Wadsley said in an email exchange.

Iowa GOP Chairman A.J. Spiker said in a statement that the state party's central committee would begin the process of selecting a replacement, essentially allowing the party to confirm a die-hard Romney supporter.

Wadsley and others had expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul's conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters.

"They've never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I'm disgusted with that. I'd like to show them how disgusted I am," Wadsley had told the AP earlier, saying she was considering withholding her electoral vote from Romney. She is an Iowa mother of three who was selected as a Republican elector earlier this year and said Paul was the better choice.


Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/electoral-college-members-may-pass-on-romney/article_9e86efc1-9b67-5275-a398-b19f0ddc36f5.html



not looking good on all sides for these guys
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GOP elector resigns, says she can't support Romney (Original Post) trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP
So now the rats are one by one jumping ship? left on green only Sep 2012 #1
There shouldn't even be a person called an "elector." Very undemocratic humblebum Sep 2012 #9
I know one of California's xxqqqzme Sep 2012 #10
I certainly didn't make any comment on the personal character of electors. I am humblebum Sep 2012 #23
I agree. I am xxqqqzme Sep 2012 #28
Think of it as AL, MS, LA, AR, OK, KS, NE, WY, UT, and ID sofa king Sep 2012 #30
That is the group of people you vote for in the Presidential elections. Sirveri Sep 2012 #16
A quirk that needs to go the way of the dodo marions ghost Sep 2012 #20
A Constitutional Republic isn't a Democracy. The degree that it resembles a Democracy would 24601 Sep 2012 #26
This constitutional republic came about and is maintained by the process of a democracy, humblebum Sep 2012 #27
I would have to disagree strongly. Neither in the Declaration of Independence nor in the 24601 Sep 2012 #29
So, you do not think that the US is a representative democracy? You might want to consult humblebum Sep 2012 #33
Strictly speaking, that would be a big 'ol fat: NOPE. DeSwiss Sep 2012 #34
Over time the enfranchisement of these various groups has led to a much more inclusive system humblebum Sep 2012 #37
How can it be representative now..... DeSwiss Sep 2012 #38
You seem to trying to apply today's standards to 18th century society. humblebum Sep 2012 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author DeSwiss Sep 2012 #40
I know where the flaws are. DeSwiss Sep 2012 #41
Your reasoning hardly conforms to that of the founders, nor to those who humblebum Sep 2012 #42
Republic or Democracy doesn't make it right or fair CreekDog Sep 2012 #32
The electoral college is undemocratic, period. CreekDog Sep 2012 #31
"...confirm a die-hard Romney supporter" JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #2
Look in the ward for the severely depressed. I think that some of the very angry, JDPriestly Sep 2012 #11
I almost spilled my water bottle goclark Sep 2012 #15
I don't think I've seen a single enthusiastic Romney supporter on my TV aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #17
Place an empty chair on a stage and wait. First one to start arguing with the chair wins! mikeytherat Sep 2012 #19
Her commitment to getting a vote for R$R is the story. She had her 15 minutes of fame and left. freshwest Sep 2012 #36
Ron Paul 2012!!11! progressoid Sep 2012 #3
Is that a great bumper sticker idea or what? xfundy Sep 2012 #4
I love it too! Cha Sep 2012 #5
here's a thread with the idea... trailmonkee Sep 2012 #7
and sanity makes a slow but steady return. mountain grammy Sep 2012 #6
Well if they want to sit it out since their Cult Leader wasn't nominated, Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #8
Because of Ron Paul? Iris Sep 2012 #12
so they say? trailmonkee Sep 2012 #14
I can see it. I dislike him, but what they did to him at the RNC was total bull. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #24
I'm sure she could support his Ego... cbrer Sep 2012 #13
lol. "could not, in good conscience"?!! caseymoz Sep 2012 #18
Willard donqpublic Sep 2012 #21
I sympathise with this elector. KANTANA Sep 2012 #22
She was OK with Palin being a heartbeat way from POTUS... Zambero Sep 2012 #25
These guys are Paulbots not independents or undecided. I guess they're really sore losers. craigmatic Sep 2012 #35
 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
23. I certainly didn't make any comment on the personal character of electors. I am
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

sure that most of them are upstanding citizens. Nonetheless, the Electoral College in this era of mass media is a disgrace to the idea of "one person, one vote" as well as "a well-informed electorate."

With the existence of the Electoral College your vote is only a suggestion. Dump it.

We strive for democracy around the globe but are denied it here.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
28. I agree. I am
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:17 AM
Sep 2012

pissed the millions of votes Obama will receive in California only count as 55 electoral votes. While that is the largest block, it reduces my vote to next to nothing. There will be more people voting for Obama here than the total population of some states!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
30. Think of it as AL, MS, LA, AR, OK, KS, NE, WY, UT, and ID
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sep 2012

Plus one electoral vote. California cancels out every single one of the unfortunate states above which are sure to go in favor of Romney. All of them.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
16. That is the group of people you vote for in the Presidential elections.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:56 AM
Sep 2012

You don't actually vote for President, you vote for electors who are 'pledged' to vote for the president in the electoral college. It's just a quirk of our system.

24601

(3,962 posts)
26. A Constitutional Republic isn't a Democracy. The degree that it resembles a Democracy would
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:16 PM
Sep 2012

not affect it's Constitutional standing.

To change it, there's an amendment process.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
27. This constitutional republic came about and is maintained by the process of a democracy,
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
Sep 2012

with the exception of the Electoral College. Your vote for President is still nothing more than a suggestion as long as it exists. Let's begin the process.

24601

(3,962 posts)
29. I would have to disagree strongly. Neither in the Declaration of Independence nor in the
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:50 AM
Sep 2012

drafting and ratification of the Constitution was any of it put to a democratic vote of the people. It was always by a republic-style methodology where a smaller number represented others.

The US was never a democracy and it's founding documents do not reflect that intent either in words or process.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
33. So, you do not think that the US is a representative democracy? You might want to consult
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:08 PM
Sep 2012

the Federalist Papers. The Electoral College made much sense in the 18th and 19th centuries when few ever had any real access to the presidential candidates. But, today when the media allows us to know what color underwear they have on, individuals are more than able to make rational choices based upon what they see and hear.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
34. Strictly speaking, that would be a big 'ol fat: NOPE.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:23 PM
Sep 2012
- I might have been -- had there been universal suffrage from the start. But slaves, women, and renters would likely think otherwise......

"It's the old American double-standard -- you know: 'say one thing, do something different.' And of course the country is founded on the double standard, that's our history. We were founded on a very basic double-standard. This country was founded by slave-owners who wanted to be free." ~George Carlin
 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
37. Over time the enfranchisement of these various groups has led to a much more inclusive system
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:22 PM
Sep 2012

and a much more representative democracy.

And nothing in the Constitution suggesting a representative democracy? Just how then was the Constitution ratified by majority of the original 13 states?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
38. How can it be representative now.....
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:19 PM
Sep 2012

...if it didn't start that way? Sure it's called representative NOW, but representative of what? Of whom? It didn't represent the original people here, did it? No slaves were presented, were they? No women? No renters? What about them? Don't they count?

- I don't require an answer, I just want you to think about what you say before you say it.

You might want to start here: The Lies My Teacher Told Me


 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
39. You seem to trying to apply today's standards to 18th century society.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:33 PM
Sep 2012

This is not the 18th century, and every citizen over the the age of 18 has a vote. There are some serious flaws in your reasoning.

Yes, votes are counted in this country one person-one vote, except for the presidency. If you want to stay in the past, be my guess. But the world is moving on.

Yes, we are both a representative democracy and a republic.

Response to humblebum (Reply #39)

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
42. Your reasoning hardly conforms to that of the founders, nor to those who
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:21 PM
Sep 2012

precipitated changes in society's changing attitudes toward human and civil rights. Your reasoning is very flawed.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
32. Republic or Democracy doesn't make it right or fair
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:56 PM
Sep 2012

and doesn't make it as democratic as other representative democracies (small "d&quot in the Europe.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Look in the ward for the severely depressed. I think that some of the very angry,
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:20 AM
Sep 2012

depressed voters I meet are actually Republicans who don't want to admit it to me. In the past, Republicans have been rather aggressive about their candidates and views, but this year, they are being unusually quiet so far. Just not wanting to talk. If somebody hangs their head when I ask them if they want to register, I figure that they are Republican.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. I don't think I've seen a single enthusiastic Romney supporter on my TV
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:09 AM
Sep 2012

who wasn't being paid to be one. And even the paid campaign surrogates don't look that enthusiastic lately.

mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
19. Place an empty chair on a stage and wait. First one to start arguing with the chair wins!
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:44 AM
Sep 2012

mikey_the_rat

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Her commitment to getting a vote for R$R is the story. She had her 15 minutes of fame and left.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:12 AM
Sep 2012

This means nothing for Democrats. A no-vote, one for Obama or the other guy, would have been helpful. Another brain dead Republican stays brain dead. Thanks for nothing, toots.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
8. Well if they want to sit it out since their Cult Leader wasn't nominated,
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:46 AM
Sep 2012

then by all means go ahead. It'll be less votes for Obama's main opposition, so I'm not complaining!

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
18. lol. "could not, in good conscience"?!!
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:40 AM
Sep 2012

He's done it! Romney has made vacuous mediocrity shocking to the conscience! Not Reagan, not Quayle, not George H. W., not even George W. Bush accomplished that with Republicans!



I think this is a definite turning point in US politics.

donqpublic

(155 posts)
21. Willard
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
Sep 2012

If you remember, after Willard killed Socrates (Ron Paul), the other rats didn't jump ship...they killed him.

KANTANA

(32 posts)
22. I sympathise with this elector.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:28 PM
Sep 2012

It takes a brain dead, thoughtless, hateful and totally uneducated person to vote for Romney. A total ROBOT!!

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
25. She was OK with Palin being a heartbeat way from POTUS...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:59 PM
Sep 2012

but draws the line at the current head of the GOP ticket. Ouch for you, Mittens!

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