Trump lawyer contends Treasury must not release president's tax returns until...
Source: The Washington Post
Trump lawyer contends Treasury must not release presidents tax returns until the Justice Department weighs in
By Washington Post Staff April 5 at 4:10 PM
An attorney hired by President Trump on Friday told the Treasury Department that it should not turn over the presidents tax returns until it receives a legal opinion from the Justice Department.
William S. Consovoy, the attorney, attacked the request from Rep. Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.), chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, as a gross abuse of power.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
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spooky3
(34,458 posts)Anyone with access to the returns to turn them over to Neal, if the employee believes wrongdoing is occurring (paraphrased). Surely someone will step up if the JD drags its feet.
blugbox
(951 posts)Has gone from SOP to "gross abuse of power"
The republicans are literally throwing their party away. This administration is the last hurrah
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)to burn all US institutions to the ground. They have no plan; it's blind hatred fueled by 30 years of 24/7 hate radio and Fox News. And of course, the origins of those go back further. Question is, will we coalesce and thereby survive or succumb to tribalism and purity testing?
Fritz67
(353 posts)...would possibly issue an opinion that just happens to align with what Trump wants, legal or not, right?
cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)from the IRS notifying him that he is being audited back before the election.
That would go a long way to proving how much a fucking liar he is and we can then use it against him and his supporters in the Senate and House during the next election with ads like "Donald Trump lied to the American people about being audited yet X supports Donald Trump. Do you still want someone in office that supports a liar?".
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)they don't care. They have proven that time and time again. They only hate Democrats and the people of color that belong to the Democratic party.
cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)No, who we need are those who are one the edge and fed up with his BS and the lack of spine the Repugnants in the Senate and House have displayed as if we can win enough of them then we can win a substantial number of new seats.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)proving he is being audited since "he" was the one that made the claim in the first place as an excuse for why he was not turning over his tax returns.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)because he needed to prove to some client (??who or what??-some business he was fixing for Trump at the time-) that he was being audited--But he never got the letter.
copperearth
(117 posts)Why should it be illegal for Trump but not for Nixon or any of the other Presidents since? Why should the Justice Department have his tax returns in the first place. Attorney General Barr needs to resign. He is a crooked mouth piece for Trump.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Congress has an allegation, testimony and some evidence from Michael Cohen that Trump played with his financial statements to get bank to give him loans by inflating them or to reduce his taxes by deflating them.
Congress has a duty to investigate and the authority to provide oversight for such a claim against the President. Just as it had to look into emails on the Secretary of State's server.
This is an argument they have to know is very unlikely for them to win.
So they're going to drag it out in court.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Democrats need to be ready to instantly file legal briefs and attack politically. So that each step takes the absolute minimum time, while beating tRump-Republicons in the media and everywhere for his lie.
"Lies made, lies kept"
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)I think the law is settled on this.
I wonder if it is a show for Trump's base to "prove" they tried to defend him at every turn before the Democrats took him out.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)being politically persecuted. While overlooking that is exactly what they did to Hillary with a gigantic difference: Hillary wasn't convicted of anything but it's very likely some of this apparent criminal behavior is going to stick to Trump and they know it.
If you followed the Manafort case or Cohen's, financial crimes like bank fraud or tax evasion are much more difficult to bicker about than "collusion" or "obstruction" where lawyers like Giuliani can play word games with the law. Either the financial transactions are there to establish a crime or they are not.
All my comments below are premised with the notion that Cohen is not lying under oath because he would suffer severe circumstances if he did. And that the statements he provided are what he says they are and got used in the way he said they did.
I saw financial statements of Trump's today, provided by Cohen, where one set said Trump was worth about $5 billion in June 2012 and another set said he was worth $9.1 billion just 9 months later.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5795740-Attachments.html
(roughly page 61 and page 81 I think)
If you look a little closer at them, accounts payable if $4,400,000 for June 2012 and March 2013. I cannot tell you how unusual it is to have the same number nine months later for accounts payable nine months later. The statements round to the nearest $10,000 but still, it's very unique.
But it keeps going .. "Loans related to clubs .." is $148,360,000 for both June 2012 and March 2013 but the description changes to "Club Facilities" (under Loans). "Loans related to Trump Park Avenue" is unchanged at $22,190,000 except for the description "Residential Properties (New York City)" (under Loans). So did he just pay financing charges because loans normally get paid down (and you like to show the banks you are doing that when applying for more dough to be loaned to you)?
Likewise, you see a similar thing comparing the assets between the two periods. "Partnerships and Joint Ventures for Avenue of the Americas, New York and California St, San Francisco" remains at $823,300,000 for both periods. "Property under development" matches "Mansion at Seven Springs, Bedford, NY" $291,000,000. "Club Facilities ..." remains at $1,570,300,000 on both statements.
etc Incredibly, all those properties never appreciated or depreciated in value over those nine months in two of the most expensive real estate markets in the world?
So let me put it this way, in my opinion, the chances of those numbers for loans, appraisal value and payables in accounting remaining the same for nine months are probably less than you having a DNA match with a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Most likely, someone has just grabbed a spreadsheet and edited it without any accounting behind it whatsoever and allegedly used it to apply for tens of millions if not more in loans. My guess is most high school kids would be smarter than trying to pull something as stupid as this. Often banks want to drill down those numbers to get a sense of the detail and accuracy, etc - to get comfortable with the numbers. Can't do that with these statements because they're blatantly cooked.
TRUMPS FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE SO FULL OF LIES THAT HIS ACCOUNTANTS PUT A WARNING LABEL ON THEM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/trump-financial-statements-full-of-lies
In a 2011 document known as a Statement of Financial Condition, Trump purported to own 55 home lots ready to sell for at least $3 million apiece at his Southern California golf course. Yet, in reality, hed only been zoned for 31, thereby overstating his future revenue by a cool $72-odd million. In a document from 2012, he tacked on an extra 800 acres to the size of his roughly 1,200 acre Virginia vineyard. In 2013, in an attempt to bolster his bid for the Buffalo Bills, a two-page Summary of Net Worth conveniently omitted his ownership of two hotels, in Chicago and Las Vegas, meaning, per the Post, that some of Trumps actual debt load was hidden from anyone reading the statement. In perhaps the most brazen, Trumpian exaggeration, he invented an extra 10 stories at Trump Tower, claiming that the building was 68 stories when, in actualityyou can literally look at the building and count themthere are 58.
That's plain old bank fraud. If he's done the opposite on his tax returns, as Cohen alleges, they've Al Caponed him. Even some of the Trump deadheads will realize if the President cheats on his taxes, he probably shouldn't be President anymore.
If he's stashed money through subpoenaed Deutsche Bank like Manafort did, he's guilty of "hiding foreign bank accounts" like Manafort was. So he has that financial vulnerability with his CFO functioning with a partial plea deal when we last heard.
This is pretty appalling stuff. Trump has to fight as hard as he can to try to stop them from looking at his taxes because he has to know that he likely cannot survive the scrutiny. His problem is that a judge with grade school math is going to quickly understand there is something really wrong here and it is not wrong because it is politically motivated. It is wrong because his numbers are too fantastic for any rational accountant to believe.
If he is that stupid to play those sorts of stupid games with his financial statements, he's very likely in very deep trouble.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Something like "blah, go to court, win some, lose some, blah blah, go back to court.. blah blah"
renate
(13,776 posts)He should be thrilled to have this excuse to release them, even though they've been under audit for the longest time ever. It's a miracle!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Congressman Neal is requesting 6 years of an individual's tax return using established channels. He is not asking for anything from the President in his official capacity. Should the IRS indicate they are processing the request then Trump could go to court as a private citizen in an attempt to get it blocked but I don't see where AG Barr has a role. Should Barr attempt that then it would be an abuse of power on Barr's part.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Trump (according to legal experts) has nothing to say about it.
The request went from Congress to IRS.
Why would the DoJ have any jurisdiction here?
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Trump wants his Roy Cohn in every agency, every job that could grant/limit his wishes or offer protection.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)I think they would have much of the same info?