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Judi Lynn

(160,619 posts)
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 01:52 AM Apr 2019

Georgetown students endorse slavery reparations fund in vote

Source: Associated Press


18 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Georgetown University undergraduates have voted in favor of a referendum seeking the establishment of a fund benefiting the descendants of enslaved people sold to pay off the school’s debts.

The $27.20-per-semester fee would create one of the first reparations funds at a major U.S. institution. In an early Friday statement, university administrator Todd Olson didn’t commit to the fund’s establishment, but said Thursday’s non-binding vote provided “valuable insight into student perspectives.”

The Georgetown University Student Association Elections Commission said 2,541 students voted for the “Reconciliation Contribution.” That’s just over 66% of voters. The fee was opposed by 1,304. Turnout was 57.9%.

The student-led proposal aims to atone for the Jesuit-organized sale of 272 slaves in 1838. Fees would go toward projects in underprivileged communities where some descendants live, including Maringouin, Louisiana.

Read more: https://apnews.com/5f7cac72c27e4b058245cf096d542920

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Georgetown students endorse slavery reparations fund in vote (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2019 OP
I have a few questions about reparations for slavery. Archae Apr 2019 #1
and will reparations melm00se Apr 2019 #2
They will have an impact, all right The Mouth Apr 2019 #5
So. "It's Pisses People Off Big Time"... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #9
Yes The Mouth Apr 2019 #10
Have anyone check in with Former President Barack Obama lately.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #11
Oh and this.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #12
Obama wasn't going to do anything radical JonLP24 Apr 2019 #15
It doesn't seem to matter whether it is DU or JPR I see the same arguments JonLP24 Apr 2019 #14
These are common questions....amazing no research is done before asking them --- nearly never by non LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #7
I would consult experts on this issue and there are some very good ones JonLP24 Apr 2019 #13
GI Bill, FHA loans wellst0nev0ter Apr 2019 #16
HOws abt a little ,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2019 #3
They always forget the Native Americans. EllieBC Apr 2019 #19
No amount of Money$ will,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2019 #20
I will make the same offer I have made before Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2019 #4
Did the United States Government.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #8
My point is that slaves are not the only ones to have suffered Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2019 #17
I'm confused JonLP24 Apr 2019 #18
It's makes sense that Germany pay reparations christx30 Apr 2019 #21
YES!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #6

Archae

(46,345 posts)
1. I have a few questions about reparations for slavery.
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:59 AM
Apr 2019

1. Who will collect it?

2. Who will pay for it?

3. And who will get it?

My ancestors came to the US in 1912.

Decades after slavery ended.

Why should any of us pay into these reparations?

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
5. They will have an impact, all right
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:58 AM
Apr 2019

on mobilizing the Republican and independent base.

I *know* the Republicans are just hoping we make this a serious issue, because anywhere outside of heavily Democratic districts it pisses people off, big time, and so quickly that *no* argument is even going to reach them.

But there are segments of the Democratic Party to which it's important, at least as a symbolic issue.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
9. So. "It's Pisses People Off Big Time"...
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:15 AM
Apr 2019

To be confronted with the impacts of Slavery that was supported by the United States Government were profits were made for decades of the backs of the enslaved, kidnapped, raped and maimed bodies, minds and spirit of African (American) Descendants of Slaves?

Really now?

Well, well. Maybe it is way past time to deal with this issue if "pissed off" is the only response that can be gathered.

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
10. Yes
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:34 AM
Apr 2019

For those whose families came here after slavery.

They Republicans are just hoping to hell we run with it.

It's even only an issue (in a 'pro' way) to the voters who will already vote Democratic. I don't think you'll find any non heavily partisan Democratic voters who would even consider it anything other than a laughable and idiotic idea. But hey, who needs to win elections?

2016 quote from President Obama. (from Slate)

"In late 2016, Barack Obama dismissed the idea of reparations during an interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates, saying: “As a practical matter, it is hard to think of any society in human history in which a majority population has said that as a consequence of historic wrongs, we are now going to take a big chunk of the nation’s resources over a long period of time to make that right.” The president went on to note, wisely, “It’s hard to find the model in which you can practically administer and sustain political support for those kinds of efforts.”
Further, he went on to say that he was “not so optimistic as to think you would ever be able to garner a majority of the American Congress that would make those kinds of investments above and beyond the kind of investments that could be made in a progressive program for lifting up all people."



LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
11. Have anyone check in with Former President Barack Obama lately....
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:56 AM
Apr 2019

We think his views have changed --- if one can understand the meaning behind these words at a recent memorial service for Ermias Asghedom-- aka - Nipsey Hussle:

Dear Friends and Family of Nipsey: I'd never met Nipsey Hussle, but I'd heard some of his music through my daughters, and after his passing, I had the chance to learn more about his transformation and his community work.

While most folks look at the Crenshaw neighborhood where he grew up and see only gangs, bullets, and despair, Nipsey saw potential. He saw hope. He saw a community that, even through its flaws, taught him to always keep going. His choice to invest in that community rather than ignore it -- to build a skills training center and a coworking space in Crenshaw; to lift up the Eritrean-American community; to set an example for young people to follow -- is a legacy worth of celebration. I hope his memory inspires more good work in Crenshaw and communities like it.

Michelle and I send our sympathies to Lauren, Emani, Kross, and the entire Asghedom family and to all those who loved Nipsey.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a27118806/barack-obama-nipsey-hussle-letter/


Of course, there will be some that dismiss this statement as Former President Barack Obama did not directly say the word reparations or African (American) Descendants of Slaves -- however, others that have historical knowledge in the ability of Barack Obama to walk a road of leaving clues before allowing an announced change in previous policy or points of opinion -- can see clearly he is moving closer to not having the restraints of the Office of President on his shoulders to boldly say what as a African Descendant himself likely believes.

This is no different than his move from Civil Unions to Marriage Equality - FYI.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
12. Oh and this....
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:07 PM
Apr 2019
It's even only an issue (in a 'pro' way) to the voters who will already vote Democratic. I don't think you'll find any non heavily partisan Democratic voters who would even consider it anything other than a laughable and idiotic idea

Yet, you don't consider this laughable....

I *know* the Republicans are just hoping we make this a serious issue, because anywhere outside of heavily Democratic districts it pisses people off, big time, and so quickly that *no* argument is even going to reach them.

Umm....

At least former Congressman John Conyers, equally former Dean of the U.S. House, did not consider it laughable -- considering he held for many years a seat in a Loyalty Democratic District in the U.S. House which have equally supported Democrats for DECADES with HR-40:

"Is America ready to tackle its history of slavery and possible reparations for Black people? The longest serving member of Congress believes it’s time for constructive dialogue and action.

“I’m not giving up,” said Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) who hosted a Capitol Hill briefing recently that drew activists, legal experts, scholars, politicos and community leaders from across the country. “Slavery is a blemish on this nation’s history, and until it is formally addressed, our country’s story will remain marked by this blight.”

Since 1989, Conyers’—a lawyer and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee—has repeatedly introduced—HR. 40—a bill that would establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery in the U.S. and its early colonies, and recommend appropriate remedies."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/rep-john-conyers-still-pushing-reparations-divided-america-n723151


And its still Not Laughable to Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee -- another Democrat....

"H. R. 40

To address the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to study and consider a national apology and proposal for reparations for the institution of slavery, its subsequent de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/40/text"


Yea....so....

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. Obama wasn't going to do anything radical
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:25 PM
Apr 2019

Only 26% of the public support reparations so of course he is not going to come out for it. I'm glad there is pressure on the Democrats this time around. Neither of the 2016 candidates supported reparations either but Sanders said if the Senate and House passed he would sign it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
14. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is DU or JPR I see the same arguments
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:23 PM
Apr 2019

They criticized Bernie Sanders for "jumping on the reparations bandwagon" and one argument was it would mobilize the racists.

I just don't understand that when there was recently black church fires and reparations doesn't have anything to do with it.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
7. These are common questions....amazing no research is done before asking them --- nearly never by non
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:09 AM
Apr 2019

ADOS's. Typical. Okay, let's play for a bit:

1. Who will collect it?

It does not have to be "Collected" the Government OWES the Debt. Read up:

"We have been taught in school that the source of the policy of “40 acres and a mule” was Union General William T. Sherman’s Special Field Order No. 15, issued on Jan. 16, 1865. (That account is half-right: Sherman prescribed the 40 acres in that Order, but not the mule. The mule would come later.) But what many accounts leave out is that this idea for massive land redistribution actually was the result of a discussion that Sherman and Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton held four days before Sherman issued the Order, with 20 leaders of the black community in Savannah, Ga., where Sherman was headquartered following his famous March to the Sea. The meeting was unprecedented in American history.

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves."

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/the-truth-behind-40-acres-and-a-mule/


2. Who will pay for it?
See the above.

3. And who will get it?
The African (Americans) Descendants of Slaves. This can be verified via Genealogy and DNA Testing. It's not hard in the least to verify one's ancestry roots.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
13. I would consult experts on this issue and there are some very good ones
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:20 PM
Apr 2019

Reparations for slavery is one of the only things the US doesn't pay reparations for.

Well, when you put it like that, I guess you have a point. But has anyone ever received reparations from like what you’re talking about?
Yes. As recently as 1988, the U.S. paid $20,000 to each survivor of Japanese-American internment camps during World War II. The family members of the Tuskegee Experiment were paid a total of $10 million in reparations by the U.S. government and the state of North Carolina a paid $10 million to the victims of forced sterilizations. Florida paid $3.36 million to the victims and survivors of a 1923 mass lynching in Rosewood.

The U.S. has also supported German payments to victims of the Holocaust and the treaties that ended World War I and World War II included reparations. And when Haiti took its independence from the French, the U.S. sent warships to ensure that slave owners received reparations. Plus, the U.S. is still making reparations to the descendants of Civil War veterans.

https://www.theroot.com/why-everyones-talking-about-reparations-explained-1832937484

After slavery there was Jim Crow, redlining, and mass incarceration.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
16. GI Bill, FHA loans
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 02:38 PM
Apr 2019

created the modern middle class during the early 20th century, blacks kept out of it.

That is on top of slavery and the fact blacks were kept out of the Homestead Act for white pioneers.

Time to repair that.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
3. HOws abt a little ,,,,,
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:52 AM
Apr 2019

reparation for all the land being stolen from my Native American ancestors,,,,,??????

EllieBC

(3,041 posts)
19. They always forget the Native Americans.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

And I’m pretty certain that Georgetown, like everything, is sitting on some tribal land. Maybe give they back first?

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
20. No amount of Money$ will,,,,,
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:12 AM
Apr 2019

right the wrong that the Wasicu have done to all people of color. I want their self recognition of what they have done and are still doing, in addition to changing their policies and hearts. Damn their stinking money.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
4. I will make the same offer I have made before
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:54 AM
Apr 2019

When the Nazi who seized my grandfather's wallet in Auschwitz returns it, I will give all the money in it as reparations for slavery.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
8. Did the United States Government....
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

Have anything to do with Auschwitz? One thing for sure, is the United States Government made laws to expand and support the enslaving of African (American) Descendants of Slaves.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
17. My point is that slaves are not the only ones to have suffered
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 02:38 PM
Apr 2019

Members of my family were killed by the Nazis because they were Jews. So should I get reparations?

No, when that Nazi returns my grandfather's wallet, African-Americans can have all the money in it. Don't hold your breath

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. I'm confused
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 02:56 PM
Apr 2019

Germany did pay reparations and the US government backed them.

Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Reparations Agreement between Israel and the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Luxemburger Abkommen "Luxembourg Agreement" or Wiedergutmachungsabkommen "Wiedergutmachung Agreement",[1] Hebrew: הסכם השילומים Heskem HaShillumim "Reparations Agreement&quot was signed on September 10, 1952, and entered in force on March 27, 1953.[2] According to the Agreement, West Germany was to pay Israel for the costs of "resettling so great a number of uprooted and destitute Jewish refugees" after the war, and to compensate individual Jews, via the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, for losses in Jewish livelihood and property resulting from Nazi persecution.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany




U.S. begins paying out reparations from France to Holocaust survivors and their heirs

The State Department has paid or approved 90 claims for a total $11 million in reparations from France to former World War II prisoners who were carried to Nazi death camps in French trains — the first French reparations paid to Holocaust survivors living in the United States, officials said Thursday.

The payments apply to Holocaust survivors who were deported from France to concentration camps on stifling trains operated by the state-owned French railway, SNCF, or, if the survivors have died, to their spouses or heirs. It is the first French compensation to Holocaust survivors who settled in the United States as well as Israel, Canada and other countries that haven’t had a reparations agreement with France.

It’s also the first World War II reparations program to include heirs considered to be “standing in the shoes” of people who died before receiving compensation for the atrocities they or their spouses endured, State Department officials said.

“In many ways, this is belated justice for the worst crimes in history,” said Stuart Eizenstat, the State Department’s special adviser for Holocaust issues. “But it also underscores a long relationship with France.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/us-begins-paying-out-french-reparations-to-holocaust-survivors-and-their-heirs/2016/09/15/87b1de56-7abb-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.64fd5e1ca48a

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. It's makes sense that Germany pay reparations
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:28 AM
Apr 2019

for the Holocaust, because people on both sides, the perpetrators and the survivors, and family of the survivors are still alive.

But none of the people involved in slavery prior to the Civil War are still alive. I had nothing to do with it. I shouldn't have to pay for it. And I would vote against any candidate that wanted to do it.

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