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progree

(10,918 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:36 PM Apr 2019

Street clashes erupt as Venezuela's Guaido urges uprising

Source: AP

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Anti-government demonstrators clashed with troops loyal to Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro at an air base in the capital hours after opposition leader Juan Guaidó took to the streets in a bold and risky attempt to lead a military uprising against the embattled socialist.

The early-morning rebellion seems to have only limited military support.

But it was by far the most-serious challenge yet to Maduro's rule since Guaidó, with the backing of the U.S. and dozens of other countries, declared himself the country's interim president in January in rejection of a government he accused of stealing last year's presidential election.

The dramatic events began early Tuesday when Guaidó, flanked by a few dozen national guardsmen and some armored crowd control vehicles, released a three-minute video filmed near a Caracas air base in which he called on civilians and others in the armed forces to join a final push to topple Maduro.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/venezuelas-guaido-video-calls-military-uprising-102755095.html



There was live video a few minutes ago of street protesters and government vehicles. Then they showed one or two regime armored vehicles run over demonstrators
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Street clashes erupt as Venezuela's Guaido urges uprising (Original Post) progree Apr 2019 OP
Those poor people need to have arms. Its all that can help them move forward. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #1
The power of the government melm00se Apr 2019 #2
Another US sponsored Coup Liberalhammer Apr 2019 #3
It has been bad for years in VN Polybius Apr 2019 #6
Maybe not. Jazzgirl Apr 2019 #10
You don't live there, you don't know the facts, it is the Venezuelan people's choice Perseus Apr 2019 #13
They need to put Guaido in prison and throw away the key. juxtaposed Apr 2019 #4
And do what to Medoro? Polybius Apr 2019 #7
Who is Maduro killing exactly? Jazzgirl Apr 2019 #11
To get the straight story all you have to do is go into websites and look at videos Perseus Apr 2019 #15
Why are you defending Maduro all over the Venezuela threads? Polybius Apr 2019 #17
Because some people only see Black and White. No Grey. GulfCoast66 May 2019 #18
No, they don't. mecherosegarden Apr 2019 #12
Please elaborate Perseus Apr 2019 #14
Here is a live feed via Spain's El Pais in Caracas. Ghost Dog Apr 2019 #5
We need a meme for this TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #9
The one with a dress is actually a woman, it is Lopez's wife Perseus Apr 2019 #16
It's fizzled, anyway. Ghost Dog Apr 2019 #8
One of the things that baffles me ripcord May 2019 #19

oldsoftie

(12,604 posts)
1. Those poor people need to have arms. Its all that can help them move forward.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:22 PM
Apr 2019

Very few of the military are willing to die for the fat thief. MAny have already fled to neighboring countries. Now, they need to take up arms with the civilians and make the push the country needs.

melm00se

(4,996 posts)
2. The power of the government
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:28 PM
Apr 2019

flows from the consent of the People.

The People are making a really good case to toss the bum out.

As a remiinder:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
.
 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
3. Another US sponsored Coup
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:13 PM
Apr 2019

In South America. The only reason it's this bad is because of Bolton and Trump.

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
10. Maybe not.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:46 PM
Apr 2019

But the US has been trying to overthrow Venezuela's government (read OIL) since Chavez. They tried a bullshit coup with him and now they're trying the same thing with Maduro. I'm pretty sure Bolton was behind the last attempt and bet he's behind this one. I don't know what's going on down there since the US probably isn't getting the straight story but Guaido seems to be way to pro-US to be an accident. Did the majority vote for him? We'll never know.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
13. You don't live there, you don't know the facts, it is the Venezuelan people's choice
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:28 PM
Apr 2019

The kleptocracy has already done a lot of damage, they regime has a lot of blood on their hands. Has nothing to do with Bolton and the orange buffoon, this is something that GW Bush should have taken care of when he acted as president, but he was too stupid to understand the consequences. Obama also failed to do something about it, he was too worried trying to rebuild the country, but the damage, not only in Venezuela but many other countries in the hemisphere are monumental, those cucarachas have to be taken out and put in jail.

Again, I don't like the orange buffoon or Bolton, but it has nothing to do with them, and I fear that Putin has put a strain on the buffoon from getting into Venezuela, Russia is now in there, the situation is very bad and it will get worst for the World if the regime is not ousted.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
15. To get the straight story all you have to do is go into websites and look at videos
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:46 PM
Apr 2019

For example, you will see one of the government military truck going over some of the protesters today, you know, like they did in China many years ago with a tank? Something like that.

Here, watch this video:
[link:

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Or better yet, take a vacation, just go for a week and if you come back alive tell us all how misguided we are about Maduro, the "Colectivos" (nice people on motorcycles funded by the government carrying all kinds of weapons, robbing, killing people at any time of the day, unaccountable for their crimes), and to see more you should try to walk the streets of Caracas after 06:00pm, I am sure you will be greeted by many people with weapons trying to borrow everything you have.

I know I am being sarcastic, but that is the real picture. Why do I know? Because I have family and friends who live there. My Mom, 90 years old, was robbed at noon in front of a City Hall, cars and people going by. A woman grabbed her from behind, asked her to not shout and she would not be hurt, a guy walked in front of her and took her purse, with all the papers she had gone to City Hall to update, a 90 year old, and if she had said anything they would have killed her right there, in front of everyone, that is what the Chavez and Maduro regime have done in Venezuela.

You want the "straight" story? Then don't wait for anyone to tell it to you, find out, it is very easy to do so. youtube has many videos.

To answer your question "Who is Maduro killing exactly?" Students, watch the video and you will see, the industries, the people, they are having to eat from the garbage, of course Maduro doesn't physically do it, he has the "Colectivos" and the Cubans to do it for him. Although on April 11, 2001 when there was a coup to oust Chavez, you can see videos of Maduro, when he was a bus driver shooting at people in a march from a bridge. He is a murderer, and he was born in Colombia, he is not from Venezuela, his family still lives in Colombia.

And here, learn about the colectivos:
[link:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/30/venezuela-maduro-often-uses-colectivos-rather-than-his-military/3616362002/|

Polybius

(15,483 posts)
17. Why are you defending Maduro all over the Venezuela threads?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:04 PM
Apr 2019

He's a monster. I thought the pro-Chavez/pro-Maduro crowd left a long time ago. He needs to go one way or another.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. Because some people only see Black and White. No Grey.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:18 AM
May 2019

Socialist=good. Democracy be damned.

America is against them=good. If we are against them then they are automatically good.

Free medical care>Democracy.

There are plenty of folks on the left who will defend Venezuela and Cuba till the cows come home. Cause socialism.

I’m old enough to remember those who defended the Soviet Union and Eastern Europeans Socialist nations. They are still around.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
14. Please elaborate
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:29 PM
Apr 2019

Your comment is so interesting, please explain why Guaido should be put in jail, but with facts please.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
5. Here is a live feed via Spain's El Pais in Caracas.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
Apr 2019


It doesn't look like a military uprising supported by large numbers of citizens to my eye.

And Guaidó's hiding again.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
9. We need a meme for this
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019

Something like, "My only regret is that I don't have a million lives to give for my country.... just don't ask me to give my own."

No wonder Bolton and Pompeo like him - another chicken hawk like them. I hear one of the coup plotters already snuck into the Chilean Embassy in a dress.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
16. The one with a dress is actually a woman, it is Lopez's wife
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:01 PM
Apr 2019

A chicken hawk? I would love to know what some people read...Not sure if you are interested in hearing why the Chilean embassy, but I wil tell you anyway. The reason why they went to the embassy is because there seem to be negotiations going on for Maduro to leave the country, it seems most of the military has moved their allegiance to the new President, Juan Guaido. I do hope my sources are correct.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
8. It's fizzled, anyway.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 04:53 PM
Apr 2019
... As if to confirm pro-Maduro forces have again emerged victorious, opposition politician and Guaido adviser Leopoldo Lopez and his family have successfully sought refuge at the Chilean diplomatic residence in Caracas, Chile’s foreign minister said.

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update 5: As predicted, what Guaido dubbed “Operation Liberty” — a full on coup attempt for which he appealed for Venezuela's military to rise up against Maduro — appears to have failed to achieve significant momentum, given Caracas officials are taking to the air waves to declare the "mediocre" coup attempt successfully put down.

“A mediocre coup d'etat attempt has failed,” said defense minister Vladimir Padrino on a state radio broadcast Tuesday afternoon, following prior statements saying he was ready put down the rebellion by force. And in a television appearance Padrino further called the day's events "ridiculous"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-30/venezuela-says-its-putting-down-ongoing-armed-coup-attempt
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