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BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:10 PM Apr 2019

UPDATE: Mueller complained that Barr's letter did not capture 'context' of Trump probe

Source: Washington Post



Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III wrote a letter in late March complaining to Attorney General William P. Barr that a four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work, according to a copy of the letter reviewed Tuesday by The Washington Post. At the time the letter was sent on March 27, Barr had announced that Mueller had not found a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials seeking to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Barr also said Mueller had not reached a conclusion about whether Trump had tried to obstruct justice, but Barr reviewed the evidence and found it insufficient to support such a charge.

Days after Barr’s announcement, Mueller wrote a previously unknown private letter to the Justice Department, which revealed a degree of dissatisfaction with the public discussion of Mueller’s work that shocked senior Justice Department officials, according to people familiar with the discussions.

“The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office’s work and conclusions,” Mueller wrote. “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

The letter made a key request: that Barr release the 448-page report’s introductions and executive summaries, and made some initial suggested redactions for doing so, according to Justice Department officials.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-complained-that-barrs-letter-did-not-capture-context-of-trump-probe/2019/04/30/d3c8fdb6-6b7b-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html





Original article and full title -

Mueller told the attorney general that the depiction of his findings failed to capture 'context, nature, and substance' of probe

By Washington Post Staff
April 30 at 7:07 PM

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III expressed his concerns in a letter to William P. Barr after the attorney general publicized Mueller's principal conclusions. The letter was followed by a phone call during which Mueller pressed Barr to release executive summaries of his report.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/04/30/mueller-told-the-attorney-general-that-the-depiction-of-his-findings-failed-to-capture-context-nature-and-substance-of-probe/?utm_term=.432b002d6c2d

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UPDATE: Mueller complained that Barr's letter did not capture 'context' of Trump probe (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 OP
So, no exoneration then? htuttle Apr 2019 #1
Want some BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #2
I suspect we're going to need enough to last until the election htuttle Apr 2019 #4
Need the monster batch then BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #5
I'll take 50 bags bluestarone Apr 2019 #6
You got it! BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #11
😆 underpants Apr 2019 #33
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone Apr 2019 #37
Well mueller, you should have spelled it out so Maxheader Apr 2019 #3
We still don't know what Mueller's actual unredacted "summary" was BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #7
Mueller needs to testify to americu as to the skinny of the report.. Maxheader Apr 2019 #8
I know the plans are being made for that BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #13
UPDATE about possible Mueller testimony BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #24
Mueller will have to testify now. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #9
Possibly 2naSalit Apr 2019 #12
The letter made a key request: that Barr release the 448-page report's introductions and executive s riversedge Apr 2019 #10
Bob Mueller's gonna show 'em how to "land the plane". nt oasis Apr 2019 #14
Thanks for the update canetoad Apr 2019 #15
I had the WaPo front page up in a tab and was refreshing every once in awhile until they updated! BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #17
Should be an interesting few days of hearings mcar Apr 2019 #16
Big batch of BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #18
When he is compelled to testify though one of the top 10 questions cstanleytech Apr 2019 #20
That was Barrs intent and it would not surprise me if he had an agreement with Trump to do it cstanleytech Apr 2019 #19
According to Chairman Nadler, Barr lied to Congress Gothmog Apr 2019 #21
"There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results elleng Apr 2019 #22
Here is the video Gothmog Apr 2019 #23
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #25
And here we have folks asking for the baby canon BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #28
Where is the baby cannon? Gothmog Apr 2019 #30
People are replying with their own canons, big and small, and even a tank! BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #32
I want my own cannon Gothmog Apr 2019 #42
Here's one BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #44
Even Devon Nunes' Cow is looking for the baby canon BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #39
Maybe if Mueller had put a proper title on it, something like "GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!" tclambert Apr 2019 #26
Lots of truth in that. Hoyt Apr 2019 #27
Well that's nice. Nuggets Apr 2019 #29
"still doesn't explain Mueller not indicting these people for obstruction, not interviewing Trump" BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #31
Then it makes sense to Nuggets Apr 2019 #36
In response BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #43
No I didn't miss Giuliani's Nuggets May 2019 #46
I don't understand what the heck you are talking about BumRushDaShow May 2019 #47
It's pretty clear that Mueller feels gldstwmn Apr 2019 #34
This is getting good Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2019 #35
Barr needs to resign Jumpty Apr 2019 #38
Why did the WP drop "nature and substance" from its original (more accurate) headline? deurbano Apr 2019 #40
Mueller couldn't stand it any longer, this is going to be fun beachbum bob Apr 2019 #41
Rachel reported tonight Bayard Apr 2019 #45

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
3. Well mueller, you should have spelled it out so
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:20 PM
Apr 2019

that there was no way for stumpys minions to word the report..positive for the traitor...

If there is another direction you think the a.g. should have taken...let us know..

It could be important...

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
7. We still don't know what Mueller's actual unredacted "summary" was
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019

because Barr pocketed it and provided his own bullshit "summary" of the summary. For all we know, it may have been much clearer but unless Congress gets a copy of it and it is released to the public (or is leaked to the media), then we're stuck with Barr's complete obfuscation of it.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
8. Mueller needs to testify to americu as to the skinny of the report..
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019


Through the press..through a standup announcement..I don't care how...But he needs to get the word out
whether HIS report has been accurately presented to us...

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
13. I know the plans are being made for that
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:37 PM
Apr 2019

Will have to see what happens the next couple days with the Barr Congressional testimony showdown tomorrow and Thursday!

BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
9. Mueller will have to testify now.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019

Barr goes first, lies or evades questions then Mueller tells the truth...then what? Impeach Barr?

2naSalit

(86,791 posts)
12. Possibly
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:37 PM
Apr 2019

at that point, as you described it, he will have committed perjury and not only can he be impeached he can be prosecuted too.

riversedge

(70,305 posts)
10. The letter made a key request: that Barr release the 448-page report's introductions and executive s
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:33 PM
Apr 2019

damn damn damn Barr

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-complained-that-barrs-letter-did-not-capture-context-of-trump-probe/2019/04/30/d3c8fdb6-6b7b-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.ebcb31826e67



........................The letter made a key request: that Barr release the 448-page report’s introductions and executive summaries, and made some initial suggested redactions for doing so, according to Justice Department officials.
What's in the Mueller report?

A redacted version of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's report was released to the public on April 18. Here's what's in it. (Brian Monroe, Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)

Justice Department officials said Tuesday they were taken aback by the tone of Mueller’s letter, and it came as a surprise to them that he had such concerns. Until they received the letter, they believed Mueller was in agreement with them on the process of reviewing the report and redacting certain types of information, a process that took several weeks. Barr has testified to Congress previously that Mueller declined the opportunity to review his four-page letter to lawmakers that distilled the essence of the special counsel’s findings.

In his letter, Mueller wrote that the redaction process “need not delay release of the enclosed materials. Release at this time would alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen and would answer congressional and public questions about the nature and outcome of our investigation.”

Barr is scheduled to appear Wednesday morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee — a much-anticipated public confrontation between the nation’s top law enforcement official and Democratic lawmakers, where he is likely to be questioned at length about his interactions with Mueller.

A day after the letter was sent, Barr and Mueller spoke by phone for about 15 minutes, according to law enforcement officials.....................................


canetoad

(17,186 posts)
15. Thanks for the update
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:49 PM
Apr 2019

I was about to post it.

This is interesting:

In their call, Barr also took issue with Mueller calling his letter a “summary,” saying he had never meant his letter to summarize the voluminous report, but instead provide an account of the top conclusions, officials said.


Remember how Rachel Maddow mocked Barr for walking back the 'summary' description? Obviously was after Mueller corrected him.

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
17. I had the WaPo front page up in a tab and was refreshing every once in awhile until they updated!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:59 PM
Apr 2019


I try to do "care and feeding" of my LBNs (although sometimes it takes them time to write the full articles)....

mcar

(42,375 posts)
16. Should be an interesting few days of hearings
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:50 PM
Apr 2019


No wonder Barr, the coward, wants out of the House hearing.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
20. When he is compelled to testify though one of the top 10 questions
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:13 PM
Apr 2019

he should be asked is about the letter and if he had an agreement with Trump or anyone else to do exactly that when Muellers report was finally turned in.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
19. That was Barrs intent and it would not surprise me if he had an agreement with Trump to do it
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:12 PM
Apr 2019

before his formal nomination.

elleng

(131,119 posts)
22. "There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:19 PM
Apr 2019

of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
28. And here we have folks asking for the baby canon
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:08 PM
Apr 2019


TEXT


Benjamin Wittes

@benjaminwittes

Not a surprise
4,336
7:10 PM - Apr 30, 2019


George Conway @gtconway3d

where is baby cannon
2,234
7:32 PM - Apr 30, 2019 · Chicago, IL


BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
39. Even Devon Nunes' Cow is looking for the baby canon
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:36 PM
Apr 2019


TEXT
Benjamin Wittes

@benjaminwittes
· 22m

My bottom line on this evening's developments: Bob Mueller knows how to read.

Devin Nunes’ cow 🐮 @DevinCow

Does Baby Cannon?
103
9:17 PM - Apr 30, 2019


 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
29. Well that's nice.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:10 PM
Apr 2019

It still doesn’t explain Mueller not indicting these people for obstruction, not interviewing Trump or Jr.

For those that will inevitably will give the “he goes by the book” , “good soldier”, “straight arrow” argument please explain how you come to this conclusion this based on the actions of Republicans and the FBI and Mueller’s tepid investigation full of“buts”.
The FBIs “earning” Clinton they might be hacked by calling the front desk clerk and leaving a message .

The FBIs “investigation” of Kavanaugh and being just fine with being used politically by Republicans.


I would also like to remind folks that Rosenstein hand picked Mueller for this half-assed investigation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
31. "still doesn't explain Mueller not indicting these people for obstruction, not interviewing Trump"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:14 PM
Apr 2019

Because that wasn't his mandate for the investigation. His job was to determine if there was "collusion" between the campaign and Russia. "Obstruction" would be what was going on during the investigation of the collusion and was outside of the scope. The fact that the investigation was being obstructed is something that Congress will be working on. That is basically how they got Nixon.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
36. Then it makes sense to
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:29 PM
Apr 2019

Interview Trump and Jr which he did not do and that is in the scope of the investigation, does it not?

It’s his job to indict anyone obstructing his investigation because it’s against the law.

That also doesn’t explain the persistent efforts to make Mueller a straight arrow like Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein who are not straight arrows.

What’s your evidence Mueller is doing anything different than those two corrupted former “straight arrows”?

This not Nixon , this is Russia and Trump today and a Republican Party that is complicit. It took a Republican to finally decide to talk that nabbed Nixon, and that was because Dean realized he was going to be Nixon’s fall guy. Nixon said give the public some low hanging fruit and they will be happy. John Dean cracked.

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
43. In response
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:23 PM
Apr 2019
Then it makes sense to

Interview Trump and Jr which he did not do and that is in the scope of the investigation, does it not?


You may have missed all the attempts at the in-person interviews that were made with Drumpf, where Ghouliani thwarted it every step of the way. And IIRC, only written responses submitted.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/politics/trump-interview-mueller-request/index.html

Of course the opportunity is there for the House to bring them all in so they can perjure themselves.

Regarding Jr., Mueller apparently focused specifically on "campaign finance" & Russia vs "collusion" for him and didn't feel there was enough regarding the campaign finance angle.

Interesting take by Ari Melber on that here - https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/ari-melber-why-mueller-did-not-charge-donald-trump-jr-1498692675608

It’s his job to indict anyone obstructing his investigation because it’s against the law.


No, his "job" is what is set forth when he was appointed as a "Special Counsel" with whatever scope he is given- https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2010-title28-vol2/pdf/CFR-2010-title28-vol2-sec600-1.pdf

He can and did eventually farm out things outside of his scope - like Manafort's Ukraine malfeasance and Cohen's hush money drama. And note that he doesn't personally "indict". A grand jury does that.

That also doesn’t explain the persistent efforts to make Mueller a straight arrow like Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein who are not straight arrows.


I don't think I have said anything of the sort. All of these individuals are Republicans. However some of them come from a career in the federal government (as I did) and there is a certain bureaucratic sense of purpose that gets pounded into your head when you are a career type vs an appointee.

What’s your evidence Mueller is doing anything different than those two corrupted former “straight arrows”?


Again - I have said nothing of the sort. However I do know that Mueller served as FBI Director beyond the normal 10-year term, which had been imposed by law after Hoover. I.e., President Obama, a Democrat, felt secure enough in the man to request that Congress extend his appointment for an additional 2 years, which they did without question.

This not Nixon , this is Russia and Trump today and a Republican Party that is complicit. It took a Republican to finally decide to talk that nabbed Nixon, and that was because Dean realized he was going to be Nixon’s fall guy. Nixon said give the public some low hanging fruit and they will be happy. John Dean cracked.


This is conspiracy and obstruction and coverup. You had a "break-in" to Democratic party "files" (whether "paper" or "electronic" ) by GOP operatives. The GOP were just as "complicit" back then as they are now (although they had less crazy loons like the Gym Jordans or Devon Nunes then), and 2 years passed between the break-in and the hearings, and all sorts of GOP higher-ups (e.g., Mitchell, Ehrlichman, and Haldeman) ended up in prison. Both events were related to and happened during a Presidential election and both had a President knee-deep in keeping it under wraps. But what is happening now is "Watergate on steroids" with the introduction of foreign actors as the "burglars" with people like the Nixon-tatooed Stone as a go-between now, being not much different from the speedo-swim trunk wearing Liddy was back in the '70s.
 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
46. No I didn't miss Giuliani's
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

usual dung.

Mueller can have Giuliani arrested for obstructing.
It’s not rocket science.

”Of course the opportunity is there for the House to bring them all in so they can perjure themselves. “


Oh sure, they’ll never use the I can’t recall and plead the 5th 🙄

”No, his "job" is what is set forth when he was appointed as a "Special Counsel" with whatever scope he is given- .... He can and did eventually farm out things outside of his scope - like Manafort's Ukraine malfeasance and Cohen's hush money drama. And note that he doesn't personally "indict". A grand jury does that.”
.

Well thanks tor he condescending “lesson” on indictments.

His job is to uphold the law. As you note he had zero problem indicting the others for crimes unrelated to Russian collusion.

So now he can go picking and choosing who he might bust? If so, then he also has the option to break the scope to stop this maniac from destroying the country. Your premise just fell apart.

Also I never said you stated Mueller is a straight arrow , though it’s been said many times on DU.

No, you and many others keep insisting Barr stopped the investigation, that Rosenstein must have directed him off the path etc
But that’s not what the evidence shows.

So I’m still waiting for you to explain the perpetual implications that Mueller is a straight up arrow and quit dancing around the issue.

He went off the scope and thus your “However some of them come from a career in the federal government (as I did) and there is a certain bureaucratic sense of purpose that gets pounded into your head when you are a career type vs an appointee. “ also is now debunked by you.

He either goes by the book or not.

He decided to bust low level crimes but heaven forbid he stops Trump from obstructing. What a load! Lol! Get real.


Btw Watergate doesn’t even come close to the crimes and corruption committed here it’s ridiculous to even make the comparison and, as I pointed out, there were Republicans back then willing to talk, I even gave you the name John Dean, but there are none now.

BumRushDaShow

(129,488 posts)
47. I don't understand what the heck you are talking about
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:23 PM
May 2019

which is completely off the wall.

Go look up what a "grand jury" does and quit with the ridiculous baiting about "straight arrows" and other nonsense.

Check this out for what Mueller did when he was starting his investigation and take note (and no he was not "personally" issuing indictments nor had the authority) -

Bob Mueller Is Using a Grand Jury. Here’s What It Means.

By RENATO MARIOTTI

August 03, 2017

Thursday’s news that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is tapping a grand jury as part of his ongoing investigation jolted Washington and sent pundits to the airwaves, seeking to explain what this latest twist in the Russia story might tell us about President Donald Trump’s ultimate fate. There’s no doubt this move is significant: It means Mueller believes there is sufficient evidence a crime was committed to warrant a criminal investigation. But people are leaping to conclusions that the public evidence doesn’t yet support.

Only a grand jury can issue an indictment, which is the only way that someone can be charged with committing a felony pursuant to the U.S. Constitution. Merely impaneling a grand jury does not mean that Mueller will ultimately seek an indictment, although most grand jury investigations do result in someone being indicted. When a prosecutor does seek an indictment, one is almost always returned by the grand jury—hence the old saw that a grand jury would “indict a ham sandwich” if asked.

A grand jury, which consists of 16 to 23 people, is an important tool that allows prosecutors to issue subpoenas that require people to produce documents and other evidence. Subpoenas can also be used to compel people to testify under oath before the grand jury. You can expect Mueller and his team to issue many subpoenas in the months ahead.

Because grand jury subpoenas are an important prosecutorial tool, typically a grand jury is impaneled at the very beginning of an investigation, not at the end. Indictments are usually sought at the very end of an investigation, after all of the witnesses are questioned and all of the documents are obtained.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/03/what-is-a-grand-jury-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-215458


I hope you are watching (or at least listening) to the Barr hearing right now (it just started up again) and get up to speed..

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
40. Why did the WP drop "nature and substance" from its original (more accurate) headline?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:42 PM
Apr 2019

"Context, nature, and substance" kinda covers it all! (Especially "substance"...) Many people only see the headline, and the truth is ill served when the headline understates what's actually conveyed in the article.

Bayard

(22,153 posts)
45. Rachel reported tonight
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:37 PM
Apr 2019

That since Mueller is still a DOJ employee, that department has to set a time for his Congressional testimony. They, and tRump, have said they have no problem with him testifying, but have so far stonewalled on setting a time for that to happen.

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