that we never got up in the air considering their safety record. Between skidding off a runway and crashing 5,000' into an ocean or a field I'd prefer skidding. Yikes...I will not fly on that even if they say it is safe, not for many years at least.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/04/passengers-escape-after-plane-skids-off-runway-into-river-in-jacksonville-florida

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Bormann described emerging from the plane onto the wing as oxygen masks deployed and smelling the jet fuel that she said was leaking into the water.

Bormann, from Chicago, said that most of the passengers were connected to the military and helped each other out of their seats and onto a wing, where they were assisted after some time into a raft.
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Miami Air International is a charter airline operating a fleet of Boeing 737-800 aircraft. Representatives for the airline could not immediately be reached for comment by Reuters on Friday evening.

The charter company is contracted by the military for its twice-weekly “rotator” roundtrip service between the US and Guantanamo, said Bill Dougherty, a spokesman for the Jacksonville base.

It flies every Tuesday and Friday from the naval station Norfolk in Virginia to the Jacksonville air station and on to Cuba. It then flies back to Virginia with a stop again at Jacksonville, he said.

The rotator service typically flies military personnel, family members, contractors and other civilians traveling from the United States to Guantanamo Bay. But officials said the mix of civilians and military personnel on the plane that crash-landed was not immediately known.
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the '37 structure...In one piece...Protected the passengers..

for not knowing if your post is serious or sarcasm? Did the water get above the tires? How much of the structure was underwater?

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Something seems to be missing...

Edit: Explained below I see. Very sad.

Enough to kill the stowed pets.

Despite the serious problems with the 737-800, 737's remain the workhorse of many airlines and have an excellent safety record, overall.

no damage to the environment? Do that several times and you have something as bad as deaths.

How is kerosene "one of the most toxic substances"?

There are 2 runways at jax air station. One in about 6000 feet and the other is 8000 feet. The field at gitmo is actually much shorter; they took a big piece of it for the judicial buildings, so even though it shows 8000 feet, it isn't that long operationally.

A 737 probably needs half a mile to land. That had to be an epic equipment failure.

2 were with big planes. The one fly by was because there was another plane in the way where we were going to land.

The one small plane was in the fog, when we came in for a landing, at a small airport in Franklin, Pa. we were way too far into the runway, the pilot pulled her up and never did land, went on to Pittsburgh.

We were trying to land in a pouring rain..You're used to hearing the engines kinda throttle down
as you come in..And they did but then they revved back up, and we climbed back out, did a circle
and landed..Weird feeling...

The operating procedures for most airlines and charters require specific criteria to be met on an approach or you go around and try again.

At busy airports a go around means you probably won't see the airport again for 15-20 minutes as you'll need to be resequenced into the traffic flow. If the airport isn't busy you can just stay in the local traffic pattern and come back around.

West of Ireland. Pilots used to train for this manoeuvre all day long there.

The pilot wears a view limiting device that allows viewing of the instruments, but obstructs the view from outside. Another pilot(often an instructor) sits in the other seat and keeps them safe.

You practice flying the instrument approach, from which the pilot may or may not be allowed to see the runway. Either way you usually discontinue the landing phase because that's not the purpose of the training.

Winds, condition of runway, weight of the aircraft at landing, temperature. Other factors are aircraft related such as the use of flaps, spoilers, thrust reversers and brakes. Pilot technique is also a factor, although the 737-800 is capable of autoland.

The runway is 9,000 and under the best conditions a 737-800 would require something less than half that for landing. But we know the conditions weren't ideal and we don't know what other factors came in to play.

The pets in the hold are not. Heard on public radio that "condolences were given" to pet owners.
Cannot yet verify. WaPo https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/04/charter-flight-guantanamo-bay-skids-off-runway-winds-up-florida-river/?utm_term=.737590bf1593

They only use jax for military member flights. Civilians go through Miami.

So any animals would have been pets (or maybe guard dogs) on a military base but not family unless they were relocating to jax. Any other destination and the family would have gone through miami.

It's possible, just not probable. Could have just been a news station trying to draw tears. Lets hope so anyway.

That was very upsetting for the passengers and the airline knew it. I would have had a complete breakdown if my fur baby were drowned in that awful water. Terrible!

So many horrible things happen to pets that way.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/NASJacksonville/posts/?ref=page_internal
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Kathleen Harrelson As you noticed the nose was taken off the aircraft.. before they tried to save the lives of the pets while they suffocated and drowned in in water which is what is required via NAS nice job

4h
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