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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:18 AM Jun 2019

Pentagon study: Russia outgunning U.S. in race for global influence

Source: Politico



A divided America is failing to counter Moscow's efforts to undermine democracy and cast doubt on U.S. alliances, says the report, which warns of a surge in 'political warfare.'

By BRYAN BENDER 06/30/2019 06:11 AM EDT

The U.S. is ill-equipped to counter the increasingly brazen political warfare Russia is waging to undermine democracies, the Pentagon and independent strategists warn in a detailed assessment that happens to echo much bipartisan criticism of President Donald Trump's approach to Moscow.

The more than 150-page white paper, prepared for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and shared with POLITICO, says the U.S. is still underestimating the scope of Russia's aggression, which includes the use of propaganda and disinformation to sway public opinion across Europe, Central Asia, Africa and Latin America. The study also points to the dangers of a growing alignment between Russia and China, which share a fear of the United States' international alliances and an affinity for "authoritarian stability."

Its authors contend that disarray at home is hampering U.S. efforts to respond — saying America lacks the kind of compelling “story” it used to win the Cold War.

The study doesn't offer any criticisms of Trump, but it comes amid continued chaffing by security hawks in both parties who have objected to the president's repeated slights at U.S. alliances in Europe and Asia, public affection for authoritarian leaders like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un, and his habit of scoffing at the evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. A grinning Trump added to that pattern Friday in Osaka, Japan, where he got a chuckle out of Putin by admonishing him, "Don't meddle in the election, president."

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/pentagon-russia-influence-putin-trump-1535243

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Pentagon study: Russia outgunning U.S. in race for global influence (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2019 OP
It's pretty tough for the US... jvill Jun 2019 #1
President Donald Trumpsky LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2019 #16
Yes they even came back to Cuba...... Historic NY Jun 2019 #2
Forget the Russians...they're simply gangsters spreading bribe money around pecosbob Jun 2019 #3
They both have game plans. SharonAnn Jun 2019 #5
Indeed, but the Russians have always been pretty transparent in their desires pecosbob Jun 2019 #7
Yes! The Russians are bad, but the Chinese are worse. They're just very quiet about it. oldsoftie Jun 2019 #6
Bad, worse, worst...all three nations are bad on this scorecard of f*cking over other countries pecosbob Jun 2019 #9
Well, you have a choice which of the three you want to come out on top oldsoftie Jun 2019 #17
Here is a link to the NYT's World Built By China PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #19
Thats the one; thanks! oldsoftie Jul 2019 #20
A divided America? Yeah, but let's be honest here. A self-aggrandizing, mysogynistic, traitorous KPN Jun 2019 #4
All the people who constantly yell "let them take care of themselves!" dont get the real world oldsoftie Jun 2019 #8
Ya think? Iliyah Jun 2019 #10
We are "underestimating the scope of Russian aggression" I don't think so. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #11
Boris Johnson DallasNE Jun 2019 #14
Of course when Putin has a convenient fool like Trump. YOHABLO Jun 2019 #12
Thanks a crapload, republicans Achilleaze Jun 2019 #13
Meanwhile, Trump can build his border wall with all of the jack shit we get from NK. Hugin Jun 2019 #15
The 19th century belonged to the British; the 20th century belonged to the US NickB79 Jun 2019 #18
1st iran... Maxheader Jul 2019 #21

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
3. Forget the Russians...they're simply gangsters spreading bribe money around
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jun 2019

China is the one with a real game plan. They actually build things when they choose to exploit another nation's resources...sort of like we used to do.

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
7. Indeed, but the Russians have always been pretty transparent in their desires
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 11:00 AM
Jun 2019

as well as ham-fisted.

oldsoftie

(12,628 posts)
6. Yes! The Russians are bad, but the Chinese are worse. They're just very quiet about it.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jun 2019

Theres an article called "The world, by China" that was recently put out. Its a very interesting read.

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
9. Bad, worse, worst...all three nations are bad on this scorecard of f*cking over other countries
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jun 2019

21st century geopolitics is about securing access to diminishing resources and secure living space...sound familiar? There's going to be a couple of billion people dispaced by global warming and rising sea levels in the next thirty or fourty years.

oldsoftie

(12,628 posts)
17. Well, you have a choice which of the three you want to come out on top
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jun 2019

Thats life. We cant stop the other two from trying to dominate, so we're stuck trying to do the same.

PufPuf23

(8,842 posts)
19. Here is a link to the NYT's World Built By China
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jun 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/world-built-by-china.html

China envisions a vast global network of trade, investment and infrastructure that will reshape financial and geopolitical ties — and bring the rest of the world closer to Beijing.

It is a modern-day version of the Marshall Plan, America’s reconstruction effort after World War II, which created a foundation for enduring military and diplomatic alliances. China’s strategy is bolder, more expensive and far riskier.

Its money doesn’t necessarily come with the usual rules. And the cost, for China and its borrowers alike, can sometimes be too high.

We examined nearly 600 projects that China helped finance in the last decade, through billions of dollars in grants, loans and investments. Taken together, they show the scope and motivation of China’s strategy.

Many pictures and maps at link.

Thanks for mentioning this article os.

KPN

(15,665 posts)
4. A divided America? Yeah, but let's be honest here. A self-aggrandizing, mysogynistic, traitorous
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:54 AM
Jun 2019

nematode occupying the White House is "failing to counter Moscow's efforts to undermine democracy and cast doubt on U.S. alliances".

oldsoftie

(12,628 posts)
8. All the people who constantly yell "let them take care of themselves!" dont get the real world
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 11:00 AM
Jun 2019

There are 3 countries in this world that most of the OTHER countries will align themselves with; The US, russia & China. If we pull out of everywhere, the other two will fill the void. And when THEY have the most control, then they will also control US

Firestorm49

(4,037 posts)
11. We are "underestimating the scope of Russian aggression" I don't think so.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jun 2019

It seems everybody except this grade school excuse for a President can see the effects of Russia’s meddling in the world. Brexit, Catalonia, South America.....

This treasonous occupant of the Oval Office is letting them run rampant to the point where Putin can state that liberalism is dead. Why? Because he’s got enough dirt on Trump to move with ease and no fear of repercussion.

Underestimating? Wrong choice of words.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. Thanks a crapload, republicans
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jun 2019

republicans are the jerks who put a five-time draft-dodging casino hustler in charge. Stupid. Very stupid.

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
15. Meanwhile, Trump can build his border wall with all of the jack shit we get from NK.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

And a plastic facsimile of a Nobel Prize swinging on a chain from his neck.

:gag:

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
18. The 19th century belonged to the British; the 20th century belonged to the US
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jun 2019

The 21st century will belong to the Chinese, with Russia riding their coattails.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
21. 1st iran...
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 08:08 AM
Jul 2019

then russia...

then......THE WORLD!!!....

I wish other countries would realize stumpy is a bs artist..the worthless handjob
is all talk and no walk...
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