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spooky3

(34,457 posts)
2. It is outrageous that Harvard missed the irony
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jul 2019

of hiring Snyder to “promote civility”, which apparently is defined as putting constituents’ lives at risk without notice.

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
4. What's the criteria to be offered a fellowship?
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jul 2019

One-time political power holder? Because this is not the first backlash.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
5. And the position is named after a convicted felon.
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jul 2019

"News of the year-long appointment with the school’s Taubman Center for State and Local Government sparked outrage over the weekend from critics who cited Snyder's role in the Flint drinking water crisis." from the link.

"The Monday sentencing of philanthropist A. Alfred Taubman for his role in orchestrating a price-fixing scheme between the nation’s top two auction houses will not affect the Kennedy School of Government’s Taubman Center for State and Local Government, said officials at the school yesterday."

"He was sentenced to a year in prison and will also have to pay a $7.5 million fine."

Oh the irony.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/4/25/buildings-will-retain-taubman-name-the/

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
7. That article is from 17 years ago. And Taubmans founding donation was in 1988.
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 04:17 PM
Jul 2019

For the JF Kennedy School of Government, not the position.

Sheesh.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
12. A felon is a felon even 17 years later. And did Harvard give the money back?
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jul 2019

the Kennedy school is part of Harvard and is on the Harvard campus, hence the Harvard Kennedy name. The Taubman center still has the convicted felon's name at the school for state and local government.

This is how the criminal kings of capitalism do it. They give money to teach crappy little lies to excellent students. Then when these top students and rich lazy heirs grow up, they repeat the lies these convicts paid the school to teach.

Does it matter that the convicted felon committed the Crime 10 to 20 years ago? You would think Harvard would object to naming a school after a felon. People are tearing down statues of slave owning traitors today....how long ago did these traitor support slavery?

The year long position he was up for, as I clearly explained in my 1st post, was for the Harvard Kennedy school Taubman Center for state and local government. There was no title for the position, it was probably paid for by the donated Taubman money. Notice Harvard NEVER gave the money back.

Do You know the official Title of the position he was up for? It wasn't in the article. Maybe you know more than the reporter who wrote the article?

Sheesh.



FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
13. Your post implied that the two things- appointing the RW governor and a Kennedy
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:07 AM
Jul 2019

School founder's conviction - were contemporaneous. They were not. The founder, who gave the money in 1988, got in trouble FOURTEEN years later in 2002. The article you sited was from the Harvard Crimson 2002.

The Harvard Kennedy School ended up NOT bringing on Gov Rick Synder the other day. The founder, Taubman, served his time and paid his fine 17 years ago. There would be no reason for Harvard to "give back money". And to whom? Taubman?

Anyway, in the intervening decades, Harvard's Kennedy School of Government has educated thousand of graduate students who have gone back to positions in governments world wide, like fledgling democracies, and the like. Not to become "criminal kings of capitalism" as you say.

Do YOU know more about this than the student who wrote that Crimson article 17 years ago? I know I do.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
16. I never implied,... you infered
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jul 2019

Harvard does NOT get a free pass because they couldn't figure out how to return the stolen loot. If he stole the money 14 years ago, how do we know it wasn't stolen loot then? Lets face it, America is Not very good at prosecuting corruption. Just look at Clarance Thomas and Putin's puppet Trump.

Harvard Kennedy is busily teaching how wonderful capitalism and the rule of an oligarchy is. Otherwise the GOP would not send them money to teach those lies. Taubman's, a convicted felon's, money is still supporting the teaching of lies.

Yeah, they are going out into the world to teach the same lies that the robber barons, slavers and Nazis funded Harvard to teach. If Harvard is willing to accept a convicted felon's money to teach what a convicted felon wants them to teach, then where do they draw they line? At accepting money from slave owners or Nazis?

Since you know more than all of us, tell us where Harvard draws the line in accepting stolen loot.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
17. So, Harvard Kennedy School of Government gets money from "slavers, Nazis, and
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jul 2019

the GOP"? In what world, in your world?

That must be an odd world to live in.

And, is it just the Harvard graduate school you're so very pissed about, or are any elite universities in your sights for taking donations from Nazis, slavers and the GOP? They probably all do that, right?

I'm sorry but you have lost any credibility for us to continue this back and forth.

Good day sir.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
18. You really need to do some serious historical research.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:35 AM
Jul 2019

You really need to get out more. - The truth is out there if you look for it.

About slavers - Look it up it's on the Harvard webpage.

"Under the leadership of University President and Lincoln Professor of History Drew Gilpin Faust, a range of scholarly, research, and engagement efforts are underway in order to more fully examine the history and legacy of slavery at Harvard."https://www.harvard.edu/slavery

The school itself admits it:

"But Harvard was directly complicit in America’s system of racial bondage from the College’s earliest days in the 17th century until slavery in Massachusetts ended in 1783, and Harvard continued to be indirectly involved through extensive financial and other ties to the slave South up to the time of emancipation."

Now for their Nazi connection:

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/the-harvard-nazi/

"Historian Stephen Norwood raised this discomforting topic for me when he claimed, at a Boston University conference on the Holocaust, that Harvard had been “complicit in enhancing the prestige of the Nazi regime.” His evidence? The school’s warm welcome in 1934 to Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl upon Hanfstaengl’s return for his 25th reunion. Hitler’s leading international propagandist, Hanfstaengl was cheered by several admiring classmates when he gave the Nazi salute. He was also recommended for an honorary degree by the Harvard Crimson and invited to university president James Bryant Conant’s house for tea. “[Harvard’s] record was shameful and unjustifiable,” Norwood told the Boston Globe. It went without saying that Hanf-staengl’s was worse."

AND what would you call Kushner's Dad's donation to Harvard? A liberal donation?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/jared-kusher-college-admissions-story-shady-but-legal.html

"As Daniel Golden reported in his 2006 book, Jared Kushner — son-in-law of Donald Trump, husband of Ivanka Trump, and son of Charles Kushner — was accepted into Harvard shortly after his father pledged $2.5 million to the school. Writing for ProPublica in 2016, Golden noted that Kushner’s high-school teachers didn’t think he was Harvard material."

And those sources are NOT weird Russian troll fake news - the Harvard web-page - Boston Magazine and New York magazine. All you have to do to find any of it is google...it is that simple. It is that easily available.


not fooled

(5,801 posts)
6. Well well well
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

this sh*tshow would have ended better if Haaavard had withdrawn the offer, or better yet, of course, never made it.

Including Taubman, clearly a bunch of crooks, but well dressed which makes it all OK.





not fooled

(5,801 posts)
11. Sorry
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jul 2019

I should have researched more carefully before posting but anything having to do with snyder gives me hives so I tread too gingerly.

Grins

(7,218 posts)
10. And no one at HARVARD thought to ask, "Should we? Really? That guy?"
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jul 2019

I could find better candidates for a Fellowship - AT HARVARD!

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