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brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:13 PM Jul 2019

Democratic governors sound alarm on Trump reelection

Source: Politico

With all the infighting and intraparty intrigue in recent weeks — most recently over the prospect of impeaching the president — many Democrats in the states are beginning to worry the party is losing its grip on its message, potentially paving the way to Donald Trump’s reelection.

The anxiety reverberated far from Washington this week, as the nation’s governors gathered here for their annual summer meeting.

“Nationally, the focus has been on last week’s hearings and quote-unquote oversight, the question of impeachment, the effectiveness of Trump to make it about … the four [congresswomen who constitute the “squad”],” California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Friday. “That’s been the zeitgeist, and so Trump being the master of deflection and distraction … it’s been hard for the Democrats to sort of hold that message.”

Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak — the governor of an early primary state and a potential battleground in the general election — said that going into 2020, his constituents “want to look forward, and how are we going to make their lives better.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/27/democrat-governors-disconnect-2020-1437616

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Democratic governors sound alarm on Trump reelection (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
The last time there was infighting during an election cycle, padfun Jul 2019 #1
To put it bluntly Kilgore Jul 2019 #2
Enjoying the what of a what economy??????? Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #11
You are right! Rebl2 Jul 2019 #14
IMO, This is a losing message. Calista241 Jul 2019 #23
Disagree... Wuddles440 Jul 2019 #25
You are right in your sentiment and view about the economy. Hopefully enough Americans share KPN Jul 2019 #24
Yes, Lowered expectations is the name of the game. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #27
Indeed. BlueWI Jul 2019 #28
Most people erroneously use the stock market as a metric of how well the middle class is doing. Oneironaut Jul 2019 #32
My sister gave me the same "good economy" argument yesterday BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #15
same here, i had to remind my older sister the stock market has been good because it is a residual onetexan Jul 2019 #30
Apparently it worked in 2016. All you have to do is talk about how shitty Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2019 #20
That's not necessary so there is no case to make. in the era of hyper partisanship, Kurt V. Jul 2019 #26
Finally! techne7319 Jul 2019 #3
Politico again . . . Iliyah Jul 2019 #4
More BS. murielm99 Jul 2019 #5
Exactly right. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #12
agree, i'm not buying the MSM's attempt to stir up trouble either onetexan Jul 2019 #31
How in the hell can Democrats get anything done with Trump in the WH? YOHABLO Jul 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author TryLogic Jul 2019 #7
This sounds like a journalist trying to get some attention. TryLogic Jul 2019 #8
I want to know what the governors will do if Dump steals another election. roamer65 Jul 2019 #9
Good question. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #13
They need to be jumping on fixing the election/voting infrastructure in their states. JudyM Jul 2019 #21
Well said. We must never underestimate the Orange Blob sandensea Jul 2019 #10
Oh sorry.... I call him that orange piece of shit. a kennedy Jul 2019 #17
POOPTUS sandensea Jul 2019 #19
Politico? brooklynite, aren't there better sources elleng Jul 2019 #16
If the facts are true, I don't dwell on the source... brooklynite Jul 2019 #18
What are they doing to guard the vote??? 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #22
There is one thing that would galvanize all Democratic reps, House and Senate and 90% of D voters LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #29

padfun

(1,788 posts)
1. The last time there was infighting during an election cycle,
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jul 2019

the guy who threw all of the mud was elected.

So maybe it is a good thing that we allow some fighting. It shows that we aren't snowflakes.

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
2. To put it bluntly
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jul 2019

How do you explain to the everyday Joe worker, who is enjoying the benefits of a hot economy, that voting out the party in power is the right thing to do?

Have heard that case made yet.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
11. Enjoying the what of a what economy???????
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jul 2019

It ain't working for most people.

It's just the Capitalist Kings and their soul sucking minions who are busily enjoying the benefits of not being held accountable for all their crimes. The party buddies of Epstein and Brett are the ones enjoying raping children; locking up kids and watching them die, paying shit for wages and taking away pensions and health care. The kings are having a gay old time and they pump as much money as trip their triggers to politicians to do their bidding from the Supremes to the fat Traitor In the white house and his Slovenian sex worker.

The working Joe is getting shit on, and yeah sometimes he doesn't notice because he can blame a black person, a Muslim or a poor starving child. "I may have to live in a van to survive but those other people have it worse and that's ok," says working Joe.

Rebl2

(13,563 posts)
14. You are right!
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jul 2019

The media along with Republicans want you to think the economy is great, but for many it is not. People are still having to work more than one job to make ends meet.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
23. IMO, This is a losing message.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jul 2019

I am firmly in the middle class, not rich, and not poor. The economy is going well from my perspective, and from the perspective of the majority of my peers. I've had friends that lost their job, and they're employed again in a similar position with the same or better pay within weeks. Unemployment is crazy low, and the jobs market is hot.

Trying to convince people the economy sucks is not a winning issue. Are some people being left behind, yes. And we should be helping those people. But saying the economy sucks is a surefire way to not being taken seriously.

Wuddles440

(1,127 posts)
25. Disagree...
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jul 2019

the actual performance of our current economy is a facade that's being propped up by stimulus measures (tax and interest rate cuts) that are normally utilized when an economy is struggling and encountering serious challenges. The stimulus actions along with unchecked spending, especially for defense, has resulted in massive increases in the deficit and debt. It's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. Also, the amount of private and corporate debt is alarming and can easily become a crisis at any time.

KPN

(15,662 posts)
24. You are right in your sentiment and view about the economy. Hopefully enough Americans share
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jul 2019

that view and aren't sucked into the billionaires-backed scam.

My fear is that over time, personal expectations regarding the economy have been lowered to a point that people feel good today about currently being able to as well as the prospect for continuing to scrape by. My fear is that they focus on "it's better than it was" two years ago as opposed to 20, 30 and 40 years ago.

There are also enough people out there doing reasonably well (not having to scrape by) for whom the economy is not an issue. For those, from their perspective, the economy IS doing well. It's a self-centric perspective that too many people have and have had for far too long. It's how we as a society got to the extreme income inequality that exists across America today.

At the national level, if we focus campaigning at all on the economy, it should be on the affordability of health care, higher education and retirement, as well as wage stagnation/income inequality, the loss of worker benefits due to the dismantling of collective bargaining, and stabilization of jobs/job markets long term.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
27. Yes, Lowered expectations is the name of the game.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jul 2019

I'm old, so to me a good job meant a regular salary with continual raises. Yes, the raises were automatic every year, and sometimes every 90 days, without requiring you to go beg your boss. My parents were too poor to help pay my way but I didn't need them to.

A job that gave me at least 4 weeks vacation, sick time, health care, pension benefits. I never worked when I was sick.

It meant all weekends off unless overtime was involved. And overtime was time and a half and few people really wanted it.

It meant a job where I could afford a decent apartment, plenty of food, water and electricity, clothes every 6 months. It allowed for easily affordable medical care and medicines. It meant I could afford a car and gas and insurance and maintenance.

It also meant I could put a little aside to pay my $300 a semester college Tuition. And I never had a credit card, but my parents did co-signed a car loan with me.

Tell me you folks who aren't lawyers or ivy league grads, do you have these kind of jobs? I don't think I could even find a job like that for myself today. But it was my job in 1977 working at the parts store, with 2 more years left on my BS degree.

And my friends, many of them who had already graduated college with college loan payments of $10 a month that were almost paid off, had even better jobs.

I know of no one today who has a job like that. Lowered expectations ... folks you really don't know what a good economy is.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
28. Indeed.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jul 2019

Advanced degrees can sometimes get you those kinds of jobs, or living in an area with abundant work, not having a family or minimal college debt, and working constantly with a side gig. That's the only real formula for getting ahead. Any change in these factors as described leaves you in or near poverty.

Oneironaut

(5,525 posts)
32. Most people erroneously use the stock market as a metric of how well the middle class is doing.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 05:08 PM
Jul 2019

Since the stock market is high, the working and middle classes must be doing great, right?

Well, not exactly, but perception is everything.

BigmanPigman

(51,632 posts)
15. My sister gave me the same "good economy" argument yesterday
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 09:30 PM
Jul 2019

and I had to remind her that the economy is not really that good and most people are not earning a livable wage, can't afford healthcare without insurance or pay off debt, pay rent, etc. The economy is also getting worse in housing markets marking a likely recession coming according to some economists. The GOP would like to push it onto the Dems but won't be able to. This will be on the fucking moron's watch and there will be no Obama to clean it up like we Dems usually do when the GOP fucks up the economy.

onetexan

(13,062 posts)
30. same here, i had to remind my older sister the stock market has been good because it is a residual
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jul 2019

from Obama days. She watches way too much Faux News unfortunately.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
26. That's not necessary so there is no case to make. in the era of hyper partisanship,
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jul 2019

everyday joe already knows who he's voting for.

techne7319

(173 posts)
3. Finally!
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

A group of Dems using common sense instead of sensationalism. Focus on the election and quit continuing to poke around in matters that have gotten us nowhere!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. Politico again . . .
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

negative. If Politico can get his head out of Republican's arse maybe they would write the truth which is, no we are in disarray and yes we are on message.

murielm99

(30,765 posts)
5. More BS.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jul 2019

The Democrats are not in disarray. I have seen three such articles posted today, and they are all a waste of words.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
12. Exactly right.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 08:36 PM
Jul 2019

Just another lie to add to another lie to lie about. F*ck off RepubliCONS dressed up as "journalists", Dems can do 2 things at the same time and sometimes even more. Unlike that Fat pig in the white house who can only twitter and annoy the adults.

The Dems are going in the exact right direction. They are doing good.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
6. How in the hell can Democrats get anything done with Trump in the WH?
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jul 2019

Also Mich McConnell has sat on every piece of legislation the Dems put forward, and the latest is for the Security of our vote in the coming election. This really is Politico's way of stirring the pot. They can go to hell. Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time. Just watch us.

Response to YOHABLO (Reply #6)

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
8. This sounds like a journalist trying to get some attention.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jul 2019

(I posted this on the wrong line, so self deleted to start over.)

JudyM

(29,280 posts)
21. They need to be jumping on fixing the election/voting infrastructure in their states.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 07:49 AM
Jul 2019

Let’s hope they spent adequate time on that!

sandensea

(21,674 posts)
10. Well said. We must never underestimate the Orange Blob
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jul 2019

And above all, his willingness to distract at best - and steal the elections outright at worst (and even invoke Continuity of Government powers should that, too, fail).

a kennedy

(29,711 posts)
17. Oh sorry.... I call him that orange piece of shit.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jul 2019

a blob to me seem less ominous when we all know he’s A ORANGE PIECE OF SHIT. m

sandensea

(21,674 posts)
19. POOPTUS
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jul 2019

Next year, America will not so much vote him out - as flush him out.

Him, and all his corrupt little shits.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
29. There is one thing that would galvanize all Democratic reps, House and Senate and 90% of D voters
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jul 2019

It's a word that starts with an "I".

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