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riversedge

(70,259 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:00 AM Aug 2019

Democratic veteran lawmakers call for return of assault weapons ban

Source: The Hill




By Rebecca Klar - 08/12/19 08:35 AM EDT


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“Mass shootings are occurring at an alarming rate and will continue unless we stop the easy access to weapons of war,” Democratic Reps. Mikie Sherrill (N.J.) and Jason Crow (Colo) wrote in an op-ed published on Monday in USA Today.

“We’re intimately familiar with assault weapons designed for military use. While serving in the Army and Navy, we both experienced the rigorous training required of all military personnel who carry them. And we know the purpose of a gun that can fire hundreds of rounds in minutes. It’s not for hunting or for civilian self-defense. It’s for warfare.”

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The pair also touted “common sense” gun laws from their states, highlighting Colorado’s universal background check legislation and New Jersey’s claim to have the “strongest gun laws in the nation.”................................
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“Since returning home from our tours of duty, we have watched in horror as military assault rifles have found their way into our schools, malls, movie theaters, music festivals and places of worship, giving a single disturbed individual the power to inflict mass casualties. Each time, Americans cry out for leadership while Congress refuses to act,” they wrote.
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“Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) must stop playing political games and bring gun safety bills to the Senate floor. Senators must have the courage to tell the American people where they stand and not hide behind the majority leader any longer.” ..................................

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/457065-democratic-veteran-lawmakers-call-for-return-of-assault-weapons-ban



Until #MoscowMitcch is on board nothing will happen--as you know.


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Democratic veteran lawmakers call for return of assault weapons ban (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2019 OP
How about a return to "a well regulated militia" IronLionZion Aug 2019 #1
"about a return to "a well regulated militia" Return too? When was that ever a requirement... EX500rider Aug 2019 #23
Since 1789 IronLionZion Aug 2019 #24
In other words, never? EX500rider Aug 2019 #25
Prior to Heller Docreed2003 Aug 2019 #26
Please point to anytime membership in a militia was required to own a gun in the US. nt EX500rider Aug 2019 #28
Excellent question, but don't expect an answer from your interlocutor friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #30
Pick up everything more than single shot... Maxheader Aug 2019 #2
Two questions: Will the pickup squads be armed, and will *you* be doing any of the 'picking up'? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #4
Of course they'll be armed!! Maxheader Aug 2019 #12
If you're expecting *others* to go into harm's way for your political ends, but won't yourself... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #20
If you think most of the military will be playing along, you're adorable Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #38
How do we "pick up everything" without violating the Constitution? hack89 Aug 2019 #8
Amendments are a common thing.. Maxheader Aug 2019 #13
What 34 states do you think would ratify such an amendment? hack89 Aug 2019 #14
Of course not.. Maxheader Aug 2019 #15
Apparently you dream of the US military being used on the citizenry Devil Child Aug 2019 #35
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #37
"What I meant was, sometimes you have to die for something I believe in." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #22
I believe at least equal credit always goes to those employing... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #27
So, if the police showed up at your house and demanded to search it for guns NickB79 Aug 2019 #31
Why sure nicky... Maxheader Aug 2019 #32
Question: Are you really as naive as you pretend to be, or are you employing a spinning bait,... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #34
Unless we confiscate, it will be mute. OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2019 #3
*Do* let us know when you've volunteered to join a confiscation squad, mmkay? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #5
+1 friendly_iconoclast Devil Child Aug 2019 #36
There's not going to be a new AWB. J_William_Ryan Aug 2019 #6
I count at least 2 posters advocating for a 'war on guns'- but won't volunteer to participate friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #7
95% of people want something done about gun violence sarisataka Aug 2019 #9
I pretend different opinions are a 'war on something' too. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #11
There's at least three people advocating armed action against gunowners on this thread alone... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #19
99% of those at DU plumping for gun confiscation have no intention of doing it themselves friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #21
In Texas we call those people... MicaelS Aug 2019 #16
AR-15's would still be fully legal under the AWB NickB79 Aug 2019 #10
yes, I know. Congresss and Trump Adm. just does not have the political will! riversedge Aug 2019 #17
Unless I remember incorrectly, our last Party Platform called for it. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #29
Some commentary melm00se Aug 2019 #33

IronLionZion

(45,469 posts)
1. How about a return to "a well regulated militia"
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:19 PM
Aug 2019

and have that be the military reserves and national guard.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
23. "about a return to "a well regulated militia" Return too? When was that ever a requirement...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:58 PM
Aug 2019

...for firearms ownership in the US?

IronLionZion

(45,469 posts)
24. Since 1789
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:59 PM
Aug 2019

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
25. In other words, never?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

"Freedom of the press being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances shall not be infringed."

So if the 1st was worded that way in your mind only the press would have freedom of speech, not the people?
It's called the Bill of Rights for a reason.

The Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. It spells out Americans' rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
30. Excellent question, but don't expect an answer from your interlocutor
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:41 PM
Aug 2019

However, I'll be glad to provide an accurate one:

Never.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
2. Pick up everything more than single shot...
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019


Reregister everything...
Melt down the illegal multishot weapons into bulk steel..
Jail any resistance..
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
4. Two questions: Will the pickup squads be armed, and will *you* be doing any of the 'picking up'?
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 04:47 PM
Aug 2019

I suspect the answer to the second is 'no', as most gun control action seems to consist of "passionately denouncing guns
and/or gun owners online"

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
12. Of course they'll be armed!!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:32 PM
Aug 2019


Backed up with blackhawk gunships if necessary...

Why the fuck would I be doing any 'pickin up'?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
18. If you're expecting *others* to go into harm's way for your political ends, but won't yourself...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:35 PM
Aug 2019

..you are, indeed, a chickenhawk, and one no different from most other warmongers

Response to Maxheader (Reply #12)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. How do we "pick up everything" without violating the Constitution?
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:38 AM
Aug 2019

considering we have no idea who owns guns in America.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
13. Amendments are a common thing..
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:41 PM
Aug 2019

of which the 2nd could benefit by...I'd prefer complete riddance of it, but if the gun toadys feel comfy having it in the constitution...so be it...But the new amendment (to the 2nd) would be worded as I said...only single shot guns...re-registration of ALL guns..Have the national guard go house to house for the re-registration, maybe a blackhawk as backup...a little look-see around while there...jail for resistors...

Get real people..guns are americus ebola virus...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. What 34 states do you think would ratify such an amendment?
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:05 PM
Aug 2019

You really think all those red states will vote yes?

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
15. Of course not..
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:05 AM
Aug 2019


Obama once remarked that there were two big items he would never get enough support for ..single pay and effective gun control...

But for the safety of the innocents, I can dream...
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
35. Apparently you dream of the US military being used on the citizenry
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:07 PM
Aug 2019

Glad your dreams will remain only within your mind. Let the rest of us work on some sensible gun law reform.

Response to Devil Child (Reply #35)

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,480 posts)
27. I believe at least equal credit always goes to those employing...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:00 PM
Aug 2019

...what is laying around to the best use. Back at you.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
31. So, if the police showed up at your house and demanded to search it for guns
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:54 PM
Aug 2019

You'd gladly step aside while they tore it apart? Because that's what you're advocating: door-to-door warrantless searches of every American's house. And no cop does a "little look around" once inside.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
34. Question: Are you really as naive as you pretend to be, or are you employing a spinning bait,...
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:32 AM
Aug 2019

...75 pound test line, and a casting reel from the back of a boat?

J_William_Ryan

(1,755 posts)
6. There's not going to be a new AWB.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:21 PM
Aug 2019

The political will is not there.

A conservative Supreme Court would not let one stand.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
7. I count at least 2 posters advocating for a 'war on guns'- but won't volunteer to participate
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:19 AM
Aug 2019

Chickenhawks...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. I pretend different opinions are a 'war on something' too.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:23 AM
Aug 2019

It's much more mentally convenient than to support my own position (though I'm quite certain we'll both 'volunteer' that pretense has nothing to do with it, and justify it as something other than what it is...).

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
19. There's at least three people advocating armed action against gunowners on this thread alone...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:43 PM
Aug 2019

...and who have not, as of yet, stated that they would be willing to participate.

So, yes, I daresay 'warmongering chickenhawks' is a quite accurate description

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
21. 99% of those at DU plumping for gun confiscation have no intention of doing it themselves
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:46 PM
Aug 2019

After 13 years at DU, I could count on the fingers of one hand the people who have, when directly asked, said that they
would indeed join a confiscation squad.

Those few souls at least seem to have the courage of their convictions.

The rest of those can most kindly be described as 'Keyboard Kommandos', but more
accurately as 'chickenhawks'.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
10. AR-15's would still be fully legal under the AWB
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:18 AM
Aug 2019

Millions were legally manufactured and sold in the 90's during the ban because bans just remove cosmetic features.

Hell, you can still buy AR-style rifles in every state with an existing AWB, even California: https://www.pewpewtactical.com/featureless-ar-15-rifle/

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
33. Some commentary
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:18 AM
Aug 2019

1) Prohibitions have never really worked well. See the 18th Amendment (which made many Americans criminals and gave rise to organized crime). See the "War on Drugs" which, like Prohibition, gave rise to the hugely influential and corrupting drug cartels.

2) The USA is at it's best when it expands rights (Bill of Rights, dealer's choice on any number of Amendments and Supreme Court decisions) but at the USA is at it's worst when restricting rights (Dred Scott, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu, Plessy, Kelo, to name just a few).

But hey, who cares about all that stuff when it drives forward someone's agenda.

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