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Eugene

(61,939 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:05 PM Aug 2019

Administration takes step to relax trucker drive-time rules

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has taken a step closer to relaxing federal regulations governing the amount of time truck drivers can spend behind the wheel, winning praise from the trucking industry and drawing scorn from highway safety advocates.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, an agency of the Transportation Department, issued proposed changes on Wednesday to the “hours of service” rules that dictate breaks truckers are required to take, and their time on and off duty.

“It puts a little more power back in the hands of the drivers and motor carriers,” said Raymond Martinez, head of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Martinez said the agency listened to drivers and their call for safer and more flexible rules.

But highway safety groups have warned that putting the revisions into place would dangerously weaken the regulations.

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By RICHARD LARDNER
an hour ago


Read more: https://apnews.com/78191e1e8c1949a0b0f6ae70ce6102cc

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Administration takes step to relax trucker drive-time rules (Original Post) Eugene Aug 2019 OP
Has this monster done ANYTHING to help us? Norbert Aug 2019 #1
No. He is shredding safety and protection regulations as if that's a good thing. SharonAnn Aug 2019 #15
Republicans really enjoy killing people. louis-t Aug 2019 #2
The FMCSA needs some CDL holders on it ripcord Aug 2019 #3
As a former member of the Brotherhood DAMANgoldberg Aug 2019 #27
That's right Turbineguy Aug 2019 #4
Are you including the Teamsters in that declaration? ripcord Aug 2019 #5
Teamsters epitomize America DBoon Aug 2019 #7
No, I'm not Turbineguy Aug 2019 #8
The HOS rules are as much ... Whiskeytide Aug 2019 #29
You would have to drive to understand ripcord Aug 2019 #30
That's fair. Your situation seems worthy of an... Whiskeytide Aug 2019 #31
in other news... Javaman Aug 2019 #6
This might explain Trump's comment yesterday about loving trucks underpants Aug 2019 #9
Bad idea soryang Aug 2019 #10
Don't be surprised when the union brings this up during the 2020 election ripcord Aug 2019 #11
I have no objection to driver representation on the FMCSA soryang Aug 2019 #12
We will find a Democrat willing to compromise with the drivers ripcord Aug 2019 #13
Yes, I hope that works out soryang Aug 2019 #14
I can be pretty bad ripcord Aug 2019 #17
Right soryang Aug 2019 #20
And truck accidents kill people. My mother was killed by trucker who hid his diabetes. SharonAnn Aug 2019 #18
Because we need more accidents dalton99a Aug 2019 #16
Interesting choice of words in that headline... They_Live Aug 2019 #19
My brother and aunt were killed when a truck hit their vehicle Marthe48 Aug 2019 #21
What on earth could possibly go wrong with that? avebury Aug 2019 #22
Well, that's all we need! patphil Aug 2019 #23
The 1% don't drive on interstate highways with sleepy truckers Yeehah Aug 2019 #24
This is whacked. Even rich Republican drive (or are driven) on roads shared by sleepy FailureToCommunicate Aug 2019 #25
So when are they going to make the FAA relax pilots' duty time rules, too? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #26
Yes, of course. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #28

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
3. The FMCSA needs some CDL holders on it
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
Aug 2019

32 year Teamster here and being told how to do my job by a bunch of suits who have never driven a truck is ridiculous, only the government and the industry, the drivers aren't represented. There is nothing wrong with trying to make the highways safer, I drive them every day, but drivers need some flexiblity to meet their ever tightening schedules.

I am one of the few drivers I know who believes the best way to safety is stop paying drivers by the mile and pay them a good hourly wage that equals what they make by the mile.

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
27. As a former member of the Brotherhood
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

I agree with you 100%, get rid of the per-mile system. That reduces some of the incentives to cheat, dual logbooks (not so much with eLogs), and to drive tired. Also, make APUs mandatory for all non-local routes.

Turbineguy

(37,364 posts)
4. That's right
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:43 PM
Aug 2019

You get up in the morning and ask yourself a question: "What can I do to kill or harm Americans today?"

Because you're a member of the trump administration.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
5. Are you including the Teamsters in that declaration?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:51 PM
Aug 2019

We have opposed the previous HOS service rules since they before they were put in place and have spoke out during the comment phase supporting these changes.

Turbineguy

(37,364 posts)
8. No, I'm not
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:55 PM
Aug 2019

But I don't think the trump administration people have warm and fuzzy feelings for truck drivers.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
29. The HOS rules are as much ...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:06 PM
Aug 2019

... about the safety of the truck drivers as the general public. Studies have shown that not getting enough time away from the wheel significantly increases the likelihood of accidents.

They also help reduce carrier abuses of driver labor. I understand that drivers may want to drive more, especially if their compensation is tied to how quickly they can deliver. And I certainly get that carriers want more hours from the drivers. But these rules are science based. There is no reason for any past government regulatory agency to have cut back on hours allowed for no reason or just to be assholes.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
30. You would have to drive to understand
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:26 PM
Aug 2019

Taking a mandated break when required can cost you days, I had horrible snow and had to take a mandated break for 1 hour 20 minutes from my destination, since I missed my delivery window I had to wait 36 hours to get unloaded. I get paid by the mile so I sat there not getting paid all that time. Please tell me exactly how relaxing that rule would endanger public safety. Most people posting here don't even know how the rules were changed, it is all just knee jerk.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
31. That's fair. Your situation seems worthy of an...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:52 PM
Aug 2019

... exception. But you can’t regulate based on anecdotal examples unless they are numerous enough to outweigh the potential for abuse.

I don’t drive. But I’m pretty familiar with the rules as a lawyer who has handle trucking cases over the years. They’re not perfect. But overall they have reduced accidents. Your lost time - though it sucked - May not be worth the injury or death that could occur when another driver is on the road fatigued.

Just my perspective.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
10. Bad idea
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:59 PM
Aug 2019

electronic logs put a dent in cheating and log falsification. So greater pressure to increase driver pay is on and the industry will do anything to avoid that. Solution according to the deregulators? Remove hourly limits. Wrong.

It isn't safe. It will lead to more accidents.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
11. Don't be surprised when the union brings this up during the 2020 election
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:06 PM
Aug 2019
https://cdllife.com/2019/trucker-grills-clueless-presidential-hopeful-over-fmcsa-regulations-in-video/

Last week at the Iowa State Fair, CSPAN cameras were rolling as candidate John Delaney addressed a crowd and took questions from voters.

Truck driver Jeremy Walters begins the conversation (interrogation?) by asking Delaney is he’s familiar with trucking regulations. When Delaney says he is, Walters launches into a series of detailed questions on ELDs, driver pay, Hours of Service regulations, and whether FMCSA leadership should be required to hold a CDL.

Throughout the exchange, a visibly uncomfortable Delaney tries his best to respond to the questions but is forced to admit that he doesn’t have enough specific information to provide full answers.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
12. I have no objection to driver representation on the FMCSA
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:17 PM
Aug 2019

I was a driver for years. I know what goes on.

The two log books gig is over, so the industry is in a dither. When you see a big rig drifting out its lane, it's because the driver has been cheating to get more miles because his pay is too low and he can only compensate by violating the regs and isn't getting enough rest.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
13. We will find a Democrat willing to compromise with the drivers
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:24 PM
Aug 2019

One that won't knee jerk simply because Trump supports the idea, that person will recieve the backing of the Teamsters.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
14. Yes, I hope that works out
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:31 PM
Aug 2019

I believe it's possible that some reasonable changes could be made that work out for drivers and public safety. My main problem is that I think all the pressure is put on drivers to make their just in time loads without adequate regard for their situation or public safety. A lot of the resistance to current regs is from management (focused on keeping driver compensation low) and maybe independents getting low freight rates to run as long hours as they possibly can as the downward spiral in pay and freight rates goes on.

Thanks for starting this thread.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
17. I can be pretty bad
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:40 PM
Aug 2019

Miss your delivery time and being pushed back a day or even 12 hours can be a killer for someone getting paid by the mile. You either get minimum wage for detention if you are lucky or as in most cases the driver just doesn't get paid for that time.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
20. Right
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:49 PM
Aug 2019

I changed employers four times I think. The issue was always the same, refusing loads because I didn't have enough hours which was unacceptable from the dispatchers point of view, or being late due to some unforeseen weather occurrence or other delay and being told I had to deliver on time anyway when the hours were no longer there. I had one employer who literally didn't care at all whether the drivers complied with the hours of service at all. "That's your problem."

The drivers at the latter company were virtually all running illegally. It isn't as easy to do that now, but I know some may still be. I have one contact still in the industry and we discuss this matter.

SharonAnn

(13,778 posts)
18. And truck accidents kill people. My mother was killed by trucker who hid his diabetes.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:41 PM
Aug 2019

He was losing his vision, his diabetes was hard to control, and he killed her by misjudging distance and changed lanes into her lane. She died, brutally, but he lived. She was in a sedan but he was in a truck. She didn't have a chance.

patphil

(6,204 posts)
23. Well, that's all we need!
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:48 PM
Aug 2019

20 ton trucks barreling down the road at 70 miles an hour with a driver who has less mandatory down time.
You know a lot of long haul drivers are already tired with the current set of rules. Imagine how much less alert they will be if allowed to log more over the road hours in a given day.
This change will kill people. All for the sake of profit.

Patrick Phillips

FailureToCommunicate

(14,020 posts)
25. This is whacked. Even rich Republican drive (or are driven) on roads shared by sleepy
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:10 PM
Aug 2019

truckers. Don't make sense.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
28. Yes, of course.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:12 AM
Aug 2019

We will all be so much better off when the roads are filled with truck drivers who've driven 20 hours straight and are perhaps buzzed on serious uppers.

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