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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 04:48 PM Sep 2012

Police can start enforcing Ariz. immigration law, judge rules

Source: Associated Press

A judge has ruled that police in Arizona can immediately start enforcing the most contentious section of the state's immigration law, marking the first time officers can carry out a requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those suspected of being in the country illegally.

The decision on Tuesday by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton is the latest milestone in a two-year legal battle over the requirement. It culminated in a U.S. Supreme Court decision in June that upheld the provision on the grounds that it doesn't conflict with federal law.

Opponents who call the requirement the "show me your papers" provision responded to the Supreme Court decision by asking Bolton to block the requirement on different grounds, arguing that it would lead to systematic racial profiling and unreasonably long detentions of Latinos if it's enforced.

Other less controversial parts of the law have been in effect since July 2010, such as minor changes to the state's 2005 immigrant smuggling law and a ban on state and local government agencies from restricting the enforcement of federal immigration law. But those provisions have gotten little, if any, use since they were put into effect.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120918arizona-immigration-law-police-can-start-enforcing-judge-rules.html

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Police can start enforcing Ariz. immigration law, judge rules (Original Post) Newsjock Sep 2012 OP
Question atreides1 Sep 2012 #1
Let's see them try this gambit on the native americans there. Could go both ways. freshwest Sep 2012 #2
If you were driving absolutely they would Hey Jude Sep 2012 #6
No, DL is not enough, my DL was granted without a birth certificate CreekDog Sep 2012 #11
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that Hey Jude Sep 2012 #13
I read the law, you are relying on "hope" CreekDog Sep 2012 #15
There is no such thing as an Arizona Ministry of Citizenship Hey Jude Sep 2012 #16
the text is correct, if you weren't ignorant of the law, you'd know that CreekDog Sep 2012 #22
Because I'm white? What if my brown friends were in the car? Or driving? freshwest Sep 2012 #20
I say... SoapBox Sep 2012 #3
Goodbye Arizona ... Wernothelpless Sep 2012 #4
From now on, I'll be driving through Maricopa County wearing a sombrero. IggleDoer Sep 2012 #5
Actually, that's a great protest. defacto7 Sep 2012 #18
Better start putting applications into the Auto Parts stores... NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #7
Sus papeles, por favor. KamaAina Sep 2012 #8
One Giant Step Backwards elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #9
First Arizona, next they will be doing this in the US. olddad56 Sep 2012 #10
Next year AlphaCentauri Sep 2012 #14
Hehehe. freshwest Sep 2012 #21
This law is aimed to Obama AlphaCentauri Sep 2012 #12
bigotry runs Arizona... fascisthunter Sep 2012 #17
Everyone who want's to protest defacto7 Sep 2012 #19
A similar law was passed in Prince William Co., VA in 2007 - lynne Sep 2012 #23

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. Let's see them try this gambit on the native americans there. Could go both ways.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:00 PM
Sep 2012

Okay, I got nothing. This is gonna suck. I wonder if I was driving there if they'd ask me for my papers. If they didn't, that would be unfair.


 

Hey Jude

(67 posts)
6. If you were driving absolutely they would
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:40 PM
Sep 2012

But since your DL, proof of insurance and registration are considered your "papers" you'd be just fine.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
11. No, DL is not enough, my DL was granted without a birth certificate
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:57 PM
Sep 2012

as was that of many of my friends here in California.

there are still states that don't require birth certificates or proof of citizenship to get a DL.

the Arizona law doesn't count these states' DLs as adequate.

in other words, to avoid being detained, an American citizen needs to carry a Passport and/or Birth Certificate because of the stupidest law in the USA, which Arizona has now.

 

Hey Jude

(67 posts)
13. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:38 PM
Sep 2012

My AZ DL was issued without a BC based on my MN DL which was also issued without a BC, and they didn't even invalidate the MN one.

And that was only 5 years ago.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. I read the law, you are relying on "hope"
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:46 PM
Sep 2012

try reading the law next time.

A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE. 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE. 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL

IDENTIFICATION. 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES

BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

http://senatebill1070.com/arizona-senate-bill-1070/full-text-of-arizona-senate-bill-1070/



and in case you didn't know, there are 49 other states, whose citizens, like myself, would not have an "Arizona Driver's license". Without an Arizona driver's license, my proof (otherwise I'm assumed "guilty", having to prove my innocence then) couldn't be my driver's license if I'm from a state that doesn't require proof before granting one.
 

Hey Jude

(67 posts)
16. There is no such thing as an Arizona Ministry of Citizenship
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:42 PM
Sep 2012

You have been taken in by a hoax. The "law" you linked to is on a blog site.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. Because I'm white? What if my brown friends were in the car? Or driving?
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:28 PM
Sep 2012

Isn't that what the objection is in all these stories?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. I say...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:16 PM
Sep 2012

folks of any color to their skin (no, a burn on some fat white guy, doesn't count), legal or not...

time to leave AZ behind. Let them enjoy their Living in the Stone Age mentality.

p.s..."officers can carry out a requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those suspected of being in the country illegally."

And.........again, what are those standards going to be? Brown skin? Older car? Walking down the sidewalk?

That crap about, "while enforcing other laws", hell they can stop you for just being alive. Such bullshit.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
4. Goodbye Arizona ...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:30 PM
Sep 2012

Gonna miss you, Sedona ... Too bad, spring-training ... oh well ...

Has anyone studied how much revenue Arizona is losing because of it's extremist polices? ...

Here's one from last year ....

Phoenix Says Immigration Law Boycott Is Causing ‘Near Economic Crisis’

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/phoenix_says_immigration_law_boycott_is_causing_ne.php

I know I ignore invitations from Arizona travel businesses ....


IggleDoer

(1,186 posts)
5. From now on, I'll be driving through Maricopa County wearing a sombrero.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:33 PM
Sep 2012

Let them ask for my effen papers!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
18. Actually, that's a great protest.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:10 PM
Sep 2012

Everyone put on cliché Mexican clothing and drive through Arizona. See what they do!!!

Now That would be a tell !!!

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
7. Better start putting applications into the Auto Parts stores...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:25 PM
Sep 2012

I see tons and tons of "broken tail light" tickets coming your way!

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
9. One Giant Step Backwards
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:44 PM
Sep 2012

A am waiting for the first United States Citizen or Native American to get arrested in Arizona .

Going to happen.

AlphaCentauri

(6,460 posts)
14. Next year
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:41 PM
Sep 2012

DHS is on track to expand Secure Communities to all law enforcement jurisdictions nationwide during fiscal year 2013.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
17. bigotry runs Arizona...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:50 PM
Sep 2012

...how pathetic and sad. Sorry to any DUers from AZ. I know it's a beautiful state with many decent folks there, but politically, that state is in trouble.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
19. Everyone who want's to protest
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:13 PM
Sep 2012

Put on "Mexican" stuff when you go out to drive. Put 6 people in the car a a time. The cliché would be enough to make Arizona sheriff's office go nuts.

Haaa... that would be fantastic!

lynne

(3,118 posts)
23. A similar law was passed in Prince William Co., VA in 2007 -
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:24 AM
Sep 2012

- they since amended it so that they confirm the immigration status of all persons taken into custody but they retained the ability to inquire as to immigration status without arrest should they have reason to do so. There were other aspects to the ordinance having to do with county services that would not be available to illegal immigrants.

Initially there was concern that people would be profiled, which is why they amended it so that they confirm status of all arrested persons.

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