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alp227

(32,024 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:09 AM Sep 2012

Ad Calling Jihad ‘Savage’ Is Set to Appear in Subway

Source: NYT

As violent and sometimes deadly protests consume much of the Muslim world in response to an American-made video mocking the Prophet Muhammad, New Yorkers will soon encounter another potentially inflammatory rendering of Islam: an advertisement in the transit system that reads, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

It concludes with the words, “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad,” wedged between two Stars of David.

After rejecting the ads initially, then losing a federal court ruling on First Amendment grounds, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said on Tuesday that the ads were expected to appear next week at 10 subway stations.

(...)

In July, Judge Paul A. Engelmayer of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled that the authority had violated the First Amendment rights of the group that sought to place the ad, the American Freedom Defense Initiative. The authority had cited the ad’s “demeaning” language in barring its placement.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/nyregion/ad-demeaning-muslims-to-appear-in-new-york-subway.html

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Ad Calling Jihad ‘Savage’ Is Set to Appear in Subway (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2012 OP
hummm fun n serious Sep 2012 #1
not quite it's Pam Gellar (Atlas Shrugs) azurnoir Sep 2012 #2
Thank you. fun n serious Sep 2012 #5
Nor would anyone who has been watching Willared & the Republican Cabal Berlum Sep 2012 #11
really though your not too far off azurnoir Sep 2012 #17
WTF??? What is with all of this in-your-face stuff right now? progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #3
I think you've hit the correct answer there ... Nihil Sep 2012 #13
The MTA was right in trying to avoid being drawn into a hate campaign. mallard Sep 2012 #4
What is this, poke the caged bear with a sharp stick week? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #6
This is pretty close to screaming 'fire' in a crowded theater. Kablooie Sep 2012 #7
Free speech is for bigots, too! alp227 Sep 2012 #22
I dont think supporting Israel is the answer to Jihad, the answer is to find some common ground cstanleytech Sep 2012 #8
As Azurnoir points out above, it's Pamela Gellar Scootaloo Sep 2012 #9
This plays into the hands of anti-Israel bigots and anti-Semites. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #10
... which group interestingly includes a lot of anti-Islam& anti-Arab bigots ... Nihil Sep 2012 #14
In any war between the civilized person & Michael Savage radio show, support the civilized person. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #12
+1 sakabatou Sep 2012 #21
LOL! Savage Weiner had NOTHING to do with the ads! alp227 Sep 2012 #23
Thanks. All the same, Michael Savage is a bitter twisted savage jerk and not a civilized man. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #25
This is just plain ugly davidpdx Sep 2012 #15
Yawn. Pamela, take a bath. So tired, she is. closeupready Sep 2012 #16
These motherfuckers are doing such a favor... JackRiddler Sep 2012 #18
This is why I say let the fundies kill each other, just keep us out of it.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #19
I suspect there may be some "interesting" graffiti appearing on these ads soon. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #20
Evolution of a racist ad: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #24
Anyone willing to KILL, over a cartoon or a film, IS A SAVAGE!!! liberallibral Sep 2012 #26
I would fairly consider anyone who engages in a holy war (jihad) to be a savage 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #27
Kick! Tx4obama Sep 2012 #28
Heard about this on the news, sounds like a terrible idea to me... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2012 #29
 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
1. hummm
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:18 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe this is Romenys " Karl Rove style campaign. He just might be evil enough to entice violence for political puposes.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. not quite it's Pam Gellar (Atlas Shrugs)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:31 AM
Sep 2012

these ads have been run on buses in San Fransisco also, a short time back, Gellar is IMO seizing the moment so to speak to spread her hate messages to what she hopes is a more receptive audience

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
3. WTF??? What is with all of this in-your-face stuff right now?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:31 AM
Sep 2012

Israel, and apparently the death merchant neocons REALLY REALLY want a war with Iran right now. They can't be fucking satisfied with anyone being at peace.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
13. I think you've hit the correct answer there ...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:25 AM
Sep 2012

... as long as you substitute "Israeli neocons" for "Israel" - I'm sure that the sane majority of Israel
would just love to be at peace ...

mallard

(569 posts)
4. The MTA was right in trying to avoid being drawn into a hate campaign.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:34 AM
Sep 2012

First Amendment rights don't cover advertising or promotions for anti-sector 'zeal'.

In the actual case with Israel, official policy violates international law and discriminates and forcefully displaces along purely ethnic lines. The only 'Jihad' going on there is an ineffective struggle for basic human rights by the abused side when normal, civilized legal measures have been ignored for decades. The judge in turning down the MTA's attempt to stop this incitement of conflict has taken sides apparently based on his own personal loyalties and 'might' not have if others were being targeted in the ads.

Let's all hate Muslims is not a very worthwhile theme. It will cause trouble. That's what the advertisers and their backers apparently feed on.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
7. This is pretty close to screaming 'fire' in a crowded theater.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:32 AM
Sep 2012

The people who are responsible for the poster should be made public so any anger might be directed at them instead of Americans in general.

Would the MTA be forced to allow Nazi propaganda posters also if someone wanted to display them?

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
8. I dont think supporting Israel is the answer to Jihad, the answer is to find some common ground
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:43 AM
Sep 2012

and to admit that there are times we screwed up but its also not just about us its also about Israel.
Not saying our government should bail on them or atleast not yet but it should stop covering their asses when they mess up and that includes telling them no aid or support after 2013 if they refuse to reset their borders back to the pre-1967 state.
As for Jerusalem I think that should be declared property of the UN and in fact the UN should consider moving there.
This way it would hopefully keep it open up to all regardless of their religion plus it puts the UN itself on the doorstep as it were to a region that needs far more attention that new york.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. As Azurnoir points out above, it's Pamela Gellar
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:21 AM
Sep 2012

If you're unfamiliar... well, you're fortunate. But take all the "best" qualities of Ann Coulter, David Irving, Glen Beck, and the Phelps Clan, and give it Bachman's psycho eyeballs. That's Pam Gellar.

And she's in a higher income bracket than you despite her "job" being the management of a hate blog. Justice in the world, eh?

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
10. This plays into the hands of anti-Israel bigots and anti-Semites.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:30 AM
Sep 2012

This type of bigotry only begets more bigotry.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
14. ... which group interestingly includes a lot of anti-Islam& anti-Arab bigots ...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:29 AM
Sep 2012

> This type of bigotry only begets more bigotry.

That is exactly right.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
12. In any war between the civilized person & Michael Savage radio show, support the civilized person.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:59 AM
Sep 2012

In any war between civilized people and the "Savage Nation", support the civilized people.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. This is just plain ugly
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:29 AM
Sep 2012

We are fast approaching the "WWE I can say anything about anyone whether it is true or not and I don't give a shit about the consequences" phase of free speech in the US.

Don't like (insert group), let's take an ad out and say nasty shit about (insert group).

These people are fucking sick minded motherfuckers. They should rot in hell. I hate to say this, but I hope if something happens that it can be tied back to them and they can be sued and/or put in prison.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
18. These motherfuckers are doing such a favor...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:28 PM
Sep 2012

to those of use who have to ride the subway.

Fucking courageous, putting us at risk with their bigotry.

I guarantee you, the MTA would be preventing me from running pro-Occupy ads calling for peaceful protest, and the courts would uphold it in that case.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
19. This is why I say let the fundies kill each other, just keep us out of it..
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:37 PM
Sep 2012

If you are a fundie in the U.S., pick the country and side of your choice and go have a fucking blast...

maybe when you are all done we can turn what's left of the middle east into a global recycling center or something LOL

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
20. I suspect there may be some "interesting" graffiti appearing on these ads soon.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:38 PM
Sep 2012

Here's what happened with ads for that movie "Duplicity":

 

liberallibral

(272 posts)
26. Anyone willing to KILL, over a cartoon or a film, IS A SAVAGE!!!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:32 PM
Sep 2012

I'm not jewish, but I don't remember the jews killing innocents and rioting over a cartoon insulting their religion or a movie doing the same...

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
27. I would fairly consider anyone who engages in a holy war (jihad) to be a savage
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:36 PM
Sep 2012

that we should leave behind as we work towards having a proper civilization.

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