and be posted in this thread.

i hope people will be vigilant.

Decenter! Blasphemer!
Lets all dogpile on anyone whose views don't strictly line up with our own. That should lead to some meaningful dialogue.

How is it that our public schools only teach spelling and grammar to liberal students?

Then again, the misspellings may be well deserved intentional sarcasm.

The sentiment seems to be genuine and accurate

My actual aim was for us to all stare deeply into each others eyes while contemplating our bland homogenous nature and self pleasuring

Phillip Exeter? Punahou?

Ok, that was fun.
Seriously though, I was implying a question that I would appreciate some real thought or response to.

If it is presupposed that any variation from a rigid list of opinions constitutes grounds for being demonized, how is any meaningful dialogue supposed to occur? Or, is that not the goal? If the goal is to just congratulate yourself on agreeing with yourself, well, you could just squat over a mirror and have at it.

I'm also wondering what the lack of DNA means. Does that imply that he was further away than claimed (therefore, not self-defense)?

As for the lack of DNA, that would seem to limit what kind of theory of the crime the defense could reasonably preset. Some sort of facsimile test (pig with a hoodie and an identical weapon) could be done. Not sure is it would require the use of a live target. Also not sure it matters. I think there is already enough there to convict Zimmerman.

As for your namesake's school, everyone know he went to public school with his friends.

A desperate hand to hand struggle would be more plausible if both parties' DNA was on the gun and/or holster.

you know, when there's a pattern.

later on today, when they figure out the response to this, they'll show up and start posting the same stuff.

because they're posting talking points.

if they wanted to post something other than talking points, they'd be here right now.

At some point in the last ten years, a lot of DUers became Fox/Limbaugh parrots.

peddle your zimmerman apologist mentality somewhere else. No use for it. Yeah you should be on the bottom of the dogpile.

I like to drink a shot every time I see a viewpoint that doesn't match mine.

Cheers!

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Never mind that the case against Zimmerman will be one of many small things that fit together only one way and not a single damning piece.

Never mind that the justice system is going slowly to make sure mistakes are not made.

Never mind those who may have an honest difference on some parts of this are still good people

Never mind those, while correct, are not dancing to you dogma.


I am at the point that when someone throws the talking points card, especially before there has been any real discussion, the post should cancelled for lack of intellectual rigor or aptitude of the poster followed by suitable mocking.

All that said, while there is no single damning piece of evidence, all the small items should be more than enough to get a conviction

No damning piece of evidence, how about the dead body of a teenager?

The rest of the case needs to be built from the body and other evidence.

Most people think that with most crimes there is an Ah Ha moment, the key evidence is found and its all over. That is not the way it works in the real world most of the time.

There is no video or other slam dunk single item against Zimmerman. Instead it is a long list of small items that can only fit together one way. In this case there is more than enough to convict Zimmerman, but this is not CSI, there is no Gill Grissom, and there is no slam dunk.

You must not hurt the feelings of the Delicate Flowers (Tom Tomorrow's term for gun-nuts)

They need as many guns and as much ammo as they can carry because the world is a SCARY place to them, and they need their Precious to walk out the door.

He's out on bail again.

But since he's apparently entitled to bail they managed to post the $1,000,000 set by the judge who was just removed from the case. He's been out. I should think lying to the court during your first bail hearing, getting caught and having the original bond revoked would be grounds for denying bail until trial but I guess I'm just a dumb woman who doesn't know shit.

can't wait for this trial. It WILL put america's racial divide and the racist america in clear perspective for the world to see. In a way I'm glad that this election has brought out a lot of the swamp scum into the open, the trial will bring more of that out as well as the sewer rats. Quite an exciting few months coming up!

...to open their eyes that let the racist have their way.

"Zimmerman says Martin was on top of him, slamming his head against the ground when he grabbed his gun from a holster before Martin could get it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57515801-504083/trayvon-martins-dna-not-found-on-george-zimmermans-gun-forensic-tests-say/

It was concealed. It is unknown if Martin even knew Zimmerman was armed.

Lots of stories out there. What matters is what is presented in court. It has been clear for some time that this case is going to be about lots of small items that can only fit together one way, not a single damning item.

Was it possibly in the statement(s) he gave the cops?

This finding is a good thing. It means any stories about them struggling over the gun are false. That limits what can be in the story they present in court (the only one that really matters).

This case is going to be one based on lots of small items that can only fit together one way, not a single big item. Fairly common though most people seem to think the the CSI TV show is the real world instead.

In case there is any doubt about my position, Zimmerman should be found guilty.


Not sure what this has to do with my handgun...its in my office safe where it belongs.

I.e. it's saying that Zimmerman said he'd grabbed his gun before Martin. A mastery of high school level English might help your case.

see this case if the child MURDERED was one of yours or a relative? You might rethink your position. Denial is a serious drug. SMDH

You might also want to read some of my other posts...I clearly believe that while there is no single damning piece of evidence (like a video tape), the many smaller pieces that can fit together only one way are more than enough to convict Zimmerman.

If you think that is denial, it means that you must believe that Zimmerman is innocent

Its good data, not sure its definitive.

So many want a slam dunk, no doubt about it answers. There won't be any in this case. It will be a large number of small things that can only fit together one way.

He said Trayvon grabbed for the gun and there was a struggle. Obviously, the murderer is lying.

fooking Liar.

At that range, I would have expected some bits of DNA to be found on the weapon from splatter effects. Even firing through clothing, you would expect at least small amounts of tissue or blood to be blown back. There also may not have been enough material available to make a positive determination.

FWIW, i don't think this case is a hate crime or premeditated murder, it is an example of human stupidity.

Yeah, right. Come back when you have something relevant to say.

You need to educate yourself about what is a hate crime, and what isn't...

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need to educate yourself about american racism and the stereotyping that goes along with. His attire and a black face makes fora suspicious individual? Right! That he is out on bond no matter if it had been 10million dollars is a travesty. Okay, in my neighborhood a pickup drives by with one of those rebel flags in it, which has happened, he is immediately followed, confronted about his assumed identity and if there is an altercation about his flag and he is shot the whole neiborhood would be in jail with the key thrown away. Give me a break apologist!. The kid lived in that 'gated' community! I can't wait for this trial!!! just saw stormfront post of yours. My previous words were lost on someone like you, mr/ms bigot!

which was not of him. but he was a black kid, so I guess that's close enough for you to believe it.

thanks but no thanks.

don't lecture any of us on hate crimes. you have no credibility on that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002471753

I have been reading DU since shortly after it was founded.

I know there are many reasonable, objective people here. I see them on other threads!

I bet they find PLENTY of Martin's DNA on the bullet.

Was the weapon taken as evidence at the time of this murder or was it surrendered days later. Beings as how he wasn't charged for weeks I don't see how this information would be relevant to the facts at all.

It's just a data point.

Was the weapon taken as evidence at the time of this murder or was it surrendered days later.

The police took it in as evidence at the scene.

I can see fingerprints, but DNA? I've never heard of that being a factor before.

Capture the skin cells, blood, sweat, etc.