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BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 09:02 PM Sep 2019

Intelligence community watchdog debunks whistleblower conspiracy pushed by Trump

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) The intelligence community inspector general is forcefully pushing back against assertions made by President Donald Trump and several Republican lawmakers about the whistleblower complaint that has rocked Washington in recent weeks.

In a rare statement released Monday, the inspector general addressed a false claim pushed by Trump and some of his allies on Capitol Hill, including House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy of California and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, that the whistleblower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the complaint and therefore the allegations were based on "hearsay." But the statement from the inspector general made clear that the whistleblower was not simply communicating secondhand knowledge.

"The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information," the statement read. "The ICIG reviewed the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible. "

The statement clearly says the whistleblower had "direct knowledge of certain alleged conduct" and that Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson obtained additional information during his preliminary review that supported other allegations in the complaint not based on firsthand knowledge, including Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/icig-statement-whistleblower-complaint/index.html



Full headline: Intelligence community watchdog debunks whistleblower conspiracy pushed by Trump and other Republicans
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Intelligence community watchdog debunks whistleblower conspiracy pushed by Trump (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 OP
Excellent! Cha Sep 2019 #1
Trumpco is trying to get as much information on this person(s) as they can... IthinkThereforeIAM Sep 2019 #2
I thought the exact same thing. Dem2theMax Sep 2019 #3
"Hearsay" cannot be used for an investigation, only at TRIAL in court appalachiablue Sep 2019 #4
What!? Of course hearsay can be used for investigation! From your own link: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #8
noted appalachiablue Oct 2019 #10
Hey, the Intelligence Community has something Crucial that Trump Doesn't Hal Zerozerozeronine Sep 2019 #5
Thread winner!!!! Talitha Sep 2019 #6
Good canetoad Oct 2019 #7
As always it's the same game bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #9
The gop is as screwy as stumpy... Maxheader Oct 2019 #11
I got two words for Sen. Graham about firsthand knowledge Travel Hat Oct 2019 #12
Indeed! DesertRat Oct 2019 #14
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2019 #15
I have two other words for Lindsey Graham: gopiscrap Oct 2019 #16
IOW - Russian Repugs lie constantly to protect their power and $$ grabs. lark Oct 2019 #13

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
2. Trumpco is trying to get as much information on this person(s) as they can...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 09:35 PM
Sep 2019

... the deliberate gaslighting and false statements, begging for the IG and ODNI to toss them out some more, "hints", at who it is.

That is what struck me while reading the OP above.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
4. "Hearsay" cannot be used for an investigation, only at TRIAL in court
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 09:55 PM
Sep 2019

according to a couple legal experts I've followed.

> Hearsay evidence is "an out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted therein." In certain courts, hearsay evidence is inadmissible (the 'Hearsay Evidence Rule') unless an exception to the Hearsay Rule applies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
8. What!? Of course hearsay can be used for investigation! From your own link:
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 03:03 AM
Oct 2019

Many jurisdictions that generally disallow hearsay evidence in courts permit the more widespread use of hearsay in non-judicial hearings.


If Able tells Detective Baker that Charlie said he killed a child, of course Detective Baker will use that and investigate Charlie.

How could hearsay be prohibited in investigations, and what possible good would such a blanket prohibition serve?

bucolic_frolic

(43,181 posts)
9. As always it's the same game
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 05:44 AM
Oct 2019

creating a false public relations narrative - Fake News! - to counter the reality and divert the public's attention from the actual scandal. It's like tabloid government.

Logic, science, rule of law vs. paranoid conspiracy theories.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
11. The gop is as screwy as stumpy...
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:30 AM
Oct 2019


"hearsay."

The final refuge for the wingers when things start to come apart..

lark

(23,105 posts)
13. IOW - Russian Repugs lie constantly to protect their power and $$ grabs.
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:01 AM
Oct 2019

They all know he's a traitor and they are ones too. They will never stop hurting America for rw power.

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