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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 04:36 AM Oct 2019

House Says Formal Impeachment Inquiry Means It Can Get Mueller's Grand Jury Info

Source: National Law Journal

The House is tying allegations that President Donald Trump tried to get Ukraine to interfere in the upcoming 2020 elections to its legal efforts to obtain grand jury material redacted from special counsel Robert Mueller’s report.

In a court filing made Monday night, days after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is formally launching an impeachment inquiry into Trump, House attorneys pushed back against the Department of Justice’s previous assertions that it was unclear whether lawmakers were actually pursuing potential impeachment.

“This Court should likewise reject DOJ’s attempt to claim for itself the power to declare when an impeachment inquiry is underway in the House. Under the Constitution’s separation of powers, and the authority the Constitution vests in the House alone to structure its proceedings, that power is not DOJ’s for the taking,” the filing reads. “As Speaker Pelosi recently confirmed, the House is ‘moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry.’ And the Committee has made plain that the primary purpose of the disclosure it seeks is to aid that inquiry.”

The House Judiciary Committee filed the lawsuit seeking grand jury material redacted from Mueller’s report earlier this year, arguing the information is necessary in deciding whether to start impeachment proceedings against the president.

Read more: https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/09/30/house-says-formal-impeachment-inquiry-means-it-can-get-muellers-grand-jury-info/



Here is the document filed today by the House.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15975632/33/application-of-the-committee-on-the-judiciary-us-house-of/
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House Says Formal Impeachment Inquiry Means It Can Get Mueller's Grand Jury Info (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2019 OP
Outstanding! Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #1
Hallelujah!! Duppers Oct 2019 #2
Go! Go! Go! nt B Stieg Oct 2019 #3
I'm surprised that none of the grand jury info didn't leak. Meadowoak Oct 2019 #4
Yes roscoeroscoe Oct 2019 #5
The House is going to get the facts. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #6
And, don't forget about Orange Slice's Tax Records djacq Oct 2019 #7
I have been lurking on DU gab13by13 Oct 2019 #8
Again, Criminal Barr will try and block it . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #9
this is true BUT this will end up in the Supreme Court and thats an iffy court now at best beachbumbob Oct 2019 #10
Yes the SC will definitely be involved! bluestarone Oct 2019 #13
problem is John Roberts was fored to be a moderate and will likely not be a friend to trump in this beachbumbob Oct 2019 #14
This is my hope as well! I do not believe Roberts cares for tRUMP at all! (hates him i bet) bluestarone Oct 2019 #15
lots of eyes on this. Hell I don;'t even think trump stands a chance in the Supreme court beachbumbob Oct 2019 #17
Have they met Barr? Owens Oct 2019 #11
The House says "let me make this perfectly clear"! calimary Oct 2019 #12
There is an excellant reason the DOJ has no say as well and that is because the head of the DOJ cstanleytech Oct 2019 #16
Kick dalton99a Oct 2019 #18
They may have to take a formal floor vote on an inquiry to prevail in court Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #19
As always, the question is how long the administration can obstruct, delay, and otherwise Nitram Oct 2019 #20
You bet! (This is going to be good.) NurseJackie Oct 2019 #21
I'm not celebrating until we get it. nt Hotler Oct 2019 #22

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
8. I have been lurking on DU
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:58 AM
Oct 2019

before I officially jumped into the fray. I watched with interest the debate here whether there was a difference between a regular committee hearing, which is legislative in nature, and an impeachment inquiry, which is considered judicial in nature. This clears up the debate, IMO, there is a big difference between a legislative hearing and a judicial hearing. The thing is what I think or what anyone else here at DU thinks is not relevant, it's what do the judges think. The judges must be convinced that Dems are pursuing an impeachment inquiry and that should open up the flood gates for Dems to get the entire unredacted Mueller report, the grand jury testimonies, and expedited court decisions regarding subpoenas.

We need to keep the narrative on impeachment and not on the smoke screens that Trump and Barr are pushing in the MSM.

Speaker Pelosi may well be the brightest Speaker we have had in our history, I trust in her. She needs to keep the pedal to the metal, impeachment needs to go quickly, we start voting in February.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. Again, Criminal Barr will try and block it . .
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:44 AM
Oct 2019

An ethical person would recuse himself, but Barr is not.

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
13. Yes the SC will definitely be involved!
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

That's what the RETHUGS are planning on! Lot at stake here, nothing will be easy for the House. I believe the SC will decide in our favor, BUT Dragging this on will be the RETHUGS plan and we just have to be ready for a long process ahead! Don't like it BUT it's where we are at!

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
15. This is my hope as well! I do not believe Roberts cares for tRUMP at all! (hates him i bet)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:04 AM
Oct 2019

I could be wrong here. Hope Russia doesn't have any shit on Roberts though!

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
17. lots of eyes on this. Hell I don;'t even think trump stands a chance in the Supreme court
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:32 AM
Oct 2019

for denying the Impeachment Inquiry their rights to investigate this matter

Owens

(197 posts)
11. Have they met Barr?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:23 AM
Oct 2019

He will block it. He is already helping block NY state's request for Trump's tax records. Democrats need a tough and sharp lawyer to counter Barr's moves.

calimary

(81,320 posts)
12. The House says "let me make this perfectly clear"!
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:35 AM
Oct 2019

Lots of reminders of the Nixon era these days ...

cstanleytech

(26,294 posts)
16. There is an excellant reason the DOJ has no say as well and that is because the head of the DOJ
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:31 AM
Oct 2019

can be dismissed by the President so it would be like giving the keys for the henhouse to the fox.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
19. They may have to take a formal floor vote on an inquiry to prevail in court
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019

That's where the rubber meets the road...

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
20. As always, the question is how long the administration can obstruct, delay, and otherwise
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:04 AM
Oct 2019

impede the release of information. They've been quite successful so far on a number of fronts in spite of multiple subpoenas.

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