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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:44 AM Oct 2019

BETSY DEVOS COULD FACE JAIL AFTER JUDGE RULES SHE VIOLATED 2018 ORDER ON STUDENT LOANS

Source: Newsweek

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has been threatened with the possibility of jail after a judge deemed she was violating a court order for continuing to collect student debts on a now-defunct school.

That ruling, handed down in June of 2018, was made by U.S. Magistrate Judge Sallie Kim and prevented DeVos and her Department of Education for going after former students at the bankrupt Corinthian Colleges Inc.

However, Kim said she was "astounded" to discover that DeVos was violating the court order at a hearing in San Francisco on Monday after a filing by the Education Department earlier disclosed that more than 16,000 former students at Corinthian College "were incorrectly informed at one time or another ... that they had payments due on their federal student loans."

... snip ...

"I'm not sure if this is contempt or sanctions," she added. "I'm not sending anyone to jail yet but it's good to know I have that ability."

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/betsy-devos-could-face-jail-after-judge-rules-violated-2018-order-1463764?amp=1



UPDATE: JUDGE “EXTREMELY DISTURBED” BY DEVOS’ ILLEGAL COURT VIOLATION “16,000 TIMES” | PRESS RELEASE

“The judge is taking this flagrant violation of borrowers’ rights extremely seriously, said Project on Predatory Student Lending Director Toby Merrill. “Secretary DeVos has repeatedly and brazenly violated the court’s order by collecting for-profit college student debts and denying their rights. Thousands of former Corinthian students had their tax refunds seized and wages garnished despite a court order not to collect anything from them. This behavior is illegal and should not be tolerated by the court. We agree with Judge Kim that there must be consequences for these astounding violations and we look forward to the judge’s ruling.”

Today’s hearing was a case management conference where the judge addressed a September 18 filing by Secretary DeVos that revealed she had continued to collect on the debt of thousands of former for-profit college students — a direct violation of the court’s injunction ordering the Department not to collect on those debts. According to the Department’s filing:

The Department demanded incorrect loan payment from 16,034 students
Of those students, 3,289 student borrowers made one or more loan payments because of these demands, which they were not actually supposed to pay
The Department has still not confirmed that 1,147 students’ loans are in the correct status, leaving those students in limbo
The Department has harmed the credit of 847 non-defaulted students
The Department subjected 1,808 students to involuntary debt collections (garnished their wages or taken their tax refunds or benefits)
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BETSY DEVOS COULD FACE JAIL AFTER JUDGE RULES SHE VIOLATED 2018 ORDER ON STUDENT LOANS (Original Post) UpInArms Oct 2019 OP
Please throw this ScAmway scumbag in jail? Crowman2009 Oct 2019 #1
Cruella DeVos gets her due. Past due. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #29
Oh please! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #2
Time to get the DeVos suite at Gitmo ready! abqtommy Oct 2019 #3
As much as we may want or wish jail time for Devos, it will not happen. nope. IMHO riversedge Oct 2019 #5
Your opinion has been noted but I refuse to give up hope that all that empty space abqtommy Oct 2019 #16
Imagining that devos will go to gitmo is absurd... pangaia Oct 2019 #20
Wouldn't that be cathartic... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #4
Betsy D. is going to have to learn a whole new language in prison. Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #25
That was a good one! Newest Reality Oct 2019 #27
Like Martha Stewart, only EVIL. Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #34
Yup. Newest Reality Oct 2019 #35
Martha Stewart is actually talented and competent at her job FakeNoose Oct 2019 #42
Martha Stewart was roundly punished for being successful and talented, Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #44
Need I say it? "LOCK HER UP!" George II Oct 2019 #6
Follow the money bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #7
Oh, please, please, please, make it so! pazzyanne Oct 2019 #8
"Ms. Devos, we'd be willing to reduce that sentence if you testify about what was really going on tanyev Oct 2019 #9
A little off-topic, but luvtheGWN Oct 2019 #12
the operative word is "could" Javaman Oct 2019 #10
Paleeeze. She's not going to jail. progressoid Oct 2019 #11
and more over, the former students that over paid and are now owed money Javaman Oct 2019 #18
Besides that, she can certainly expect a pardon or some other calimary Oct 2019 #24
They should make her personally responsible for the payments and also send her to prison. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #13
I think all DeVos has to do is not show up for court. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #14
If I was in the trump administration Turbineguy Oct 2019 #15
DeVos spews hatred towards everyone who isn't super-rich. If she's broken the law IndyOp Oct 2019 #17
Meh. She'll just sail away to a non-extradition country in one of her 10 yachts until POtuS pardons catbyte Oct 2019 #19
I think this DeVos yacht is worth $40 million FakeNoose Oct 2019 #43
Betsy DeVos is a piece of you-know-what. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #21
just say it Skittles Oct 2019 #46
If she were convicted, Trump would just pardon her. TNNurse Oct 2019 #22
All together now -- 1 2 3 vlyons Oct 2019 #23
Finally, their undehanded collection activities have been exposed. Those collection mfcorey1 Oct 2019 #26
Ultra-rich Americans rarely see the inside of a jail cell, no matter their crimes dlk Oct 2019 #28
She could but she won't. xxqqqzme Oct 2019 #30
Lock her up!! Sancho Oct 2019 #31
See? Even when courts HAVE enforcement tools, they just won't use them on the leaders who harm! ancianita Oct 2019 #32
I doubt very much she'll go to jail. llmart Oct 2019 #33
Well, we know this will never happen... karin_sj Oct 2019 #36
He should at least bring her personally before the court so she can be publically reprimanded vsrazdem Oct 2019 #37
Prison is where she belongs. What sickness is this money grubbing insatiable greed? mahina Oct 2019 #38
Lock up the hellhound witch. lark Oct 2019 #39
That'll wipe BillyBobBrilliant Oct 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #41
Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please drmeow Oct 2019 #45

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
16. Your opinion has been noted but I refuse to give up hope that all that empty space
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

at Gitmo will be put to good use!

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Wouldn't that be cathartic...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:01 AM
Oct 2019

And just.

Please, as Captain Piccard would say: Make it so!

The law should be "lawing" for a change. No privileges! None! If we keep bending the rules, then that is not about particulars, the whole system is in jeopardy. Devoss is just one example. She really could use some time in the can. It would be a "lesson", pun intended.

Let's have some solid examples made. Otherwise, it is time to get more adamant and concerned about a two-tiered legal system. Oh, I know, the privileged have a really big advantage and get off easier when caught, but this is not a systemic THREAT! Who is going to stand for making a joke of our laws and Constitution? I am not keen on America being a banana republic with it's citizens plunging into an increasingly 3rd-World status.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
25. Betsy D. is going to have to learn a whole new language in prison.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:15 AM
Oct 2019

Maybe someone there can explain to her what an "object lesson" is.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
34. Like Martha Stewart, only EVIL.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:35 PM
Oct 2019

I don't think she'll make the gaggle of admiring friends that Martha did in prison.


Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
35. Yup.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

I think it is a primary requirement for being appointed by the Orange Mess because EVIL is the new GOOD!


Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
44. Martha Stewart was roundly punished for being successful and talented,
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:27 PM
Oct 2019

and made a scapegoat. Betsy is rightfully being punished as she should have been. And no, she's not competent & talented at her job. They're two different messages in two very different eras, which is why I juxtaposed the two women together. The object lesson is the sender of the message to the public. Back then it was that women can't do the illegal thing her male counterpart does without getting caught. With Betsy it's the same message with the wealthy male counterpart, which is why I said "like Martha Stewart", whom I actually really like, Shruggie.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
7. Follow the money
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

Student loans and tariffs add up to a lot of cash paid by American consumers.

They say it goes into the general Treasury account, yet the federal deficit continues to rise.

Where's the money going?

tanyev

(42,559 posts)
9. "Ms. Devos, we'd be willing to reduce that sentence if you testify about what was really going on
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:19 AM
Oct 2019

with the Spectrum Health, Trump Tower, and Alfa Bank servers."

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
12. A little off-topic, but
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:36 AM
Oct 2019

I had an interesting conversation with my new nephew who is German but taking up residency in Canada. We talked about Trump and all his nefarious dealings, especially with Deutschebank. Nephew says that it is well-known in Germany that the bank is as crooked as they come but always seems to manage to escape legal proceedings. Not surprising at all that the bank would be the only one to lend money to Trump.

Europeans as a whole (well, except for the far right-wing populists) absolutely despise Trump and the only reason any of their leaders visit or otherwise pay attention is for trading purposes.

It was so interesting to get the perspective of someone from across the pond.....

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
18. and more over, the former students that over paid and are now owed money
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019

won't see a dime returned to them.

calimary

(81,295 posts)
24. Besides that, she can certainly expect a pardon or some other
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:11 AM
Oct 2019

“friendly intervention” to help her beat the rap.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
14. I think all DeVos has to do is not show up for court.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:40 AM
Oct 2019

Then she could tweet that the Judge is an activist socialist of foreign descent who deserves no respect.

Should fix her problem.

Turbineguy

(37,334 posts)
15. If I was in the trump administration
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:44 AM
Oct 2019

I'd be talking to the Bureau of Prisons about getting the decorators in. Some new curtains and some nice pillows perhaps.

IndyOp

(15,524 posts)
17. DeVos spews hatred towards everyone who isn't super-rich. If she's broken the law
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:51 AM
Oct 2019

then whatever penalty would fall on anyone should be given to her.

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
19. Meh. She'll just sail away to a non-extradition country in one of her 10 yachts until POtuS pardons
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:54 AM
Oct 2019

her.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
26. Finally, their undehanded collection activities have been exposed. Those collection
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:31 AM
Oct 2019

agencies under the umbrella of the Department of Education refuse to talk to students and then seek garnishment ignoring those who legitimately try to pay the loans. My daughter overpaid and almost had to get a lawyer to get her money back. It is a shakedown operation. Just google Department of Education illegal collections and see the many complaints.

Is Navient Devos' persona company?

dlk

(11,566 posts)
28. Ultra-rich Americans rarely see the inside of a jail cell, no matter their crimes
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:42 AM
Oct 2019

Sadly, this fact only encourages more lawlessness.

ancianita

(36,059 posts)
32. See? Even when courts HAVE enforcement tools, they just won't use them on the leaders who harm!
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:10 PM
Oct 2019

It's the legal recourse that IS NO RECOURSE.

So much of the public is harmed, and not a damned thing gets done to deter further harm.

Legal declarations of guilt not followed by enforcement is corrupt justice.

This ruling and a bus token will get the victims across town.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
33. I doubt very much she'll go to jail.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:19 PM
Oct 2019

Though it would be tremendously satisfying to see this happen, it's never going to happen.

However, Martha Stewart spent some time in jail and she was wealthy, so there's always that slight chance. Except I believe Martha was a Democrat so there's that.

karin_sj

(810 posts)
36. Well, we know this will never happen...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

... But I sure would love to see it. This woman has done so much damage to our country, our children, and our future by decimating our public education system—all in the name of profit and elitism. She is a horrible, ignorant, heartless woman.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
37. He should at least bring her personally before the court so she can be publically reprimanded
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 PM
Oct 2019

and told of sanctions.

lark

(23,102 posts)
39. Lock up the hellhound witch.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:35 PM
Oct 2019

She's almost as bad as drumpf himself, and that's exceedingly inhuman and totally awful.

Response to UpInArms (Original post)

drmeow

(5,018 posts)
45. Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:51 PM
Oct 2019

pretty please with sugar and cream on top. What do I need to do to make this happen?

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