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BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:15 PM Oct 2019

N.J. seeks to revoke liquor license for one of Trump's golf clubs

Source: Washington Post

The state of New Jersey is seeking to revoke the liquor license for one of President Trump’s golf clubs — a rare and potentially damaging punishment, triggered by a 2015 case where the Trump club allegedly over-served alcohol to a man who then caused a fatal wreck. That proposed punishment was laid out in an Oct. 21 letter to the Trump golf course in Colts Neck, N.J. The Washington Post obtained the letter through a public-records request.

The office of New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal, which sent the letter, declined to comment about the letter. Grewal was appointed in 2018 by Gov. Phil Murphy (D). The letter gives few details about the alleged misconduct by Trump’s course. The man that the club is accused of over-serving — Andrew G. Halder — caused a wreck that killed his own father and last year pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide. Trump’s company was given 30 days to challenge the planned revocation.

If the state’s Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control does decide to revoke the license, Trump can challenge that decision in court or try to get it reinstated in two years. The Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment on Thursday. If the club’s liquor license is revoked, that would be a blow for the Colts Neck course, located near the Jersey Shore. The club could lose significant revenue from the two restaurants and a bar it operates for members, and find it hard to attract banquets or golf tournaments from outsiders.

But for Trump, the potential damage is greater than that. Under New Jersey law, anyone who has one liquor license revoked must also give up all their other liquor licenses for two years. Trump has two other New Jersey golf clubs, including the one in Bedminster, N.J., that he uses as a summer White House. Now, he could be faced with losing a key source of revenue at those clubs, too.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nj-seeks-to-revoke-liquor-license-for-one-of-trumps-golf-clubs-triggered-by-a-case-in-which-a-customer-caused-a-fatal-car-crash/2019/10/24/0fbba6ca-f669-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html



Full headline: N.J. seeks to revoke liquor license for one of Trump’s golf clubs, triggered by a case in which a customer caused a fatal car crash
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N.J. seeks to revoke liquor license for one of Trump's golf clubs (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
Sweet! What a nice benefit for the country RainCaster Oct 2019 #1
But since Trump has disconnected from his businesses... Girard442 Oct 2019 #2
Good news gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #3
I can hear Trump now.... flying_wahini Oct 2019 #4
Of course we all know that the liquor part of the "hospitality" business is where big fierywoman Oct 2019 #5
trDump is the Generalissimo el pResiduante,... magicarpet Oct 2019 #6
Would that require Trump to personally go to court to defend his license? keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #7
I doubt it. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #8
"supposedly" keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #11
I expect BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #12
Doesn't the license have to be in a name of a person not just the club? TNNurse Oct 2019 #9
I would expect that it is under the name of the "Trump Organization" BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #14
His lawyers DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #15
This is a state issue not federal BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #17
BumRushDaShow........I wouldn't bet anything at this point DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #19
The 2000 election BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #22
One could assk if nykym Oct 2019 #10
Next they'll find bed bugs in a drink at Mar-A-Lago Cyrano Oct 2019 #13
I live in NJ and the AG is no fan of the Dotard. I wonder if he can transfer it to a family member. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #16
He supposedly already handed over "control" to his sons BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #18
Anyone want to bet that Chris Christie blocked or slowed down this investigation in 2015 or so? nt Julian Englis Oct 2019 #20
Trump doesn't really own any golf courses. olddad65 Oct 2019 #21
Basically. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #24
But it would be "the deep state of New Jersey" BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #25
why not all of them in n.j AllaN01Bear Oct 2019 #26
According to the article BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #27
yess. AllaN01Bear Oct 2019 #28

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
2. But since Trump has disconnected from his businesses...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:24 PM
Oct 2019

...losing the liquor licenses would have nothing to do with him, right?

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
6. trDump is the Generalissimo el pResiduante,...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:55 PM
Oct 2019

..... is there not a hands off policy just like in Banana Republican countries ?

The Generalissimo can do no wrong.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
7. Would that require Trump to personally go to court to defend his license?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:58 PM
Oct 2019

Would that require Trump to personally go to court to defend his license?

BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
8. I doubt it.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:06 PM
Oct 2019

IIRC, his sons are supposedly "running" these and that might cut into their income if it were to happen.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
11. "supposedly"
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:19 PM
Oct 2019

"supposedly"

Then there would be a paper trail of turnover and there best be no documented decision making or magagement by Daddy.

BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
12. I expect
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:22 PM
Oct 2019

that he kept the D.C. & NY locations for himself and pawned off the Jersey locations to his boys.

DENVERPOPS

(8,837 posts)
15. His lawyers
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:41 PM
Oct 2019

Trump's lawyers will just keep appealing it all the way to the Supreme Court and we all know how that will end.....

BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
17. This is a state issue not federal
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:54 PM
Oct 2019

and if he so claims to be "divested" or whatever, then there's nothing he can do about it but have the organization go through their state commission appeal process and/or the state courts. If what the state of NJ would be doing is not in violation of the U.S. Constitution, then a federal court would laugh in their faces and wouldn't even bother to hear it.

DENVERPOPS

(8,837 posts)
19. BumRushDaShow........I wouldn't bet anything at this point
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:13 PM
Oct 2019

The Recount issue in Florida in 2000 WAS A STATE ISSUE, and look who butted in and illegally and corruptly made it a supreme court decision. That was the most egregious violation of the U.S. Constitution ever.......

BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
22. The 2000 election
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:32 AM
Oct 2019

in FL was not just a "state issue" because there would be an impact on the Electoral College, which is something that is covered in the U.S. Constitution (along with other Constitutional issues related to how the state law was being applied). I.e., Shrub and FL (thanks to Jeb) found all kinds of loopholes to invoke based on their state laws and state Constitution.

In this case in New Jersey, the granting or withholding of liquor licenses is not something the SCOTUS might want to set a precedent for considering the number of "states rights" members on there. If Drumpf can show that other facilities are not treated the same for similar violations, then they might be to argue the "Equal Protection" clause. But the state board revokes licenses for all types of things including for facilities acting as illegal drug storage and peddling or for illegal cockfighting.

The state law is pretty fascinating though and there are all kinds of things that can prompt a revocation -



And there is a process that establishments would normally follow to appeal with the board, so blowing that process off only makes it worse. Basically, regardless of the outcome, this will cost money in legal fees to adjudicate.

Of course here in neighboring PA, we are way worse because we have a dwindling few "Blue Laws" still left on the books although those are slowly being chipped away (but people often head over the bridge to Jersey to purchase).

olddad65

(599 posts)
21. Trump doesn't really own any golf courses.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 01:51 AM
Oct 2019

They are owned by the Russians that own Trump. They are just laundermats for the russian oligarches/mobsters money.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

BumRushDaShow

(129,140 posts)
27. According to the article
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 12:36 PM
Oct 2019

if one license is revoked, then ALL of them will automatically get revoked too!

He now has 29 or 28 days (depending on when they sent the notice) to respond if they choose to appeal the board's conclusion.

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