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swag

(26,487 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:47 PM Oct 2019

Judge rules DOJ must turn over Mueller grand jury material to House Democrats

Source: Politico


A federal judge has ruled that the Justice Department must turn over former special counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury evidence to the House Judiciary Committee, a victory for Democrats in their effort to investigate whether President Donald Trump obstructed the long-running Russia probe.

Beryl Howell, the chief federal judge in Washington ordered the DOJ to provide by Oct. 30 "[a]ll portions of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Report on the Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election that were redacted pursuant to" grand jury restrictions.

The order also requires the Justice Department to provide "any underlying transcripts or exhibits referenced in the portions of the Mueller Report that were redacted" pursuant to those restrictions.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/judge-rules-doj-must-turn-over-mueller-grand-jury-material-to-house-democrats-000299

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Judge rules DOJ must turn over Mueller grand jury material to House Democrats (Original Post) swag Oct 2019 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #1
This is great news Gothmog Oct 2019 #2
Very good news. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #3
Love this bluestarone Oct 2019 #4
Can DOJ appeal? Jim__ Oct 2019 #5
I'm sure they will. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #8
Thanks for the info. Jim__ Oct 2019 #9
The wheels of justice turn slow. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #11
Don't even DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #13
Today has turned out to be a very good Friday . . ! OldManTarHeel Oct 2019 #6
Barr and Trump just let out a collective "Aw shit!!!!" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #7
Link to the ruling (PDF) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10
It has likely been destroyed within doj.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #12
Yes, but Mueller and the courts would have copies. I hope committee checks to be sure if emmaverybo Oct 2019 #14
a lot of that material was or has been classified...... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #15
Or not. orangecrush Oct 2019 #16
Thanks for info. Not good news at all. But then, if the gang is fighting not to turn it over, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #18
Chairman @RepJerryNadler released the following statement Gothmog Oct 2019 #17

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
8. I'm sure they will.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019

Anything like this can be appealed. They may ask an appeals court for a temp hold on the order to release the materials while they do a full appeal.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. The wheels of justice turn slow.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:03 PM
Oct 2019

The DoJ will probably appeal. Trump will probably attempt to shelter the info with Executive privilege. Also probably sue as a separate legal action to block it.

They're going to do everything and anything they can (some sketchy legality, or possibly illegal) to stop it.

Enjoy Trump's long, drawn-out meltdown. It's going to go for a while. This isn't even the impeachment inquiry. Totally separate problem for him.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
13. Don't even
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:57 PM
Oct 2019

Don't even bother to check, they will just ignore the order like every other one........

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
12. It has likely been destroyed within doj....
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

So unless the courts themselves keep copies, it will never resurface.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
14. Yes, but Mueller and the courts would have copies. I hope committee checks to be sure if
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:04 PM
Oct 2019

DOJ provides the material, it I still doctored. ,

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
15. a lot of that material was or has been classified......
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:12 PM
Oct 2019

It would be isolated and put on restricted access. Since it's a tactic his lawyers use on phone calls, it has likely been used on the grand jury materials as well. Once classified, muehler and his team couldn't legally keep copies. Copies couldn't be squirelled away in the fbi.

It would be fairly easy to destroy or lose it at that point. Anyone who produces a copy would be arrested and charged.

The only hope is if the grand jury sessions were stenographed and retained by the courts (along with the evidence used to present to them). But there is surely a lot of evidence nobody but muehler had. And which couldn't be reproduced. It's likely lost forever.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
18. Thanks for info. Not good news at all. But then, if the gang is fighting not to turn it over,
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:23 PM
Oct 2019

something exists, at this point, to turn over that could be damning.

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