Key Witness in Impeachment Inquiry Asks Federal Court to Rule Over Testifying
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON A key witness in the impeachment investigation filed a lawsuit Friday asking a federal judge to rule on whether he can testify, a move that raises new doubts about whether President Trumps closest aides, like the former national security adviser, John R. Bolton, will be able to cooperate with the inquiry.
House Democrats had subpoenaed the witness, Charles M. Kupperman, who served as Mr. Trumps deputy national security adviser, to testify on Monday. But in an effort to stop Mr. Kupperman from doing so, the White House said on Friday that the president had invoked constitutional immunity, leaving Mr. Kupperman uncertain about what to do. Plaintiff obviously cannot satisfy the competing demands of both the legislative and executive branches, and he is aware of no controlling judicial authority definitively establishing which branchs command should prevail, the suit said.
The implications of the suit, filed in federal court in Washington, extend beyond Mr. Kupperman. His lawyer, Charles J. Cooper, also represents Mr. Bolton and is likely to address congressional requests for his testimony in a similar fashion. House Democrats have had discussions with Mr. Cooper in recent days about Mr. Bolton testifying but have not subpoenaed him. Democrats believe that Mr. Kupperman and Mr. Bolton could be significant witnesses for their investigation. Unlike several of the administration officials who have already testified, they were both close advisers of Mr. Trump, dealt directly with him on Ukraine policy and could testify about what Mr. Trump said behind closed doors.
Mr. Trump and the White House have attacked many of the career State Department officials who have appeared before investigators on Capitol Hill, calling them unelected bureaucrats. But Mr. Kupperman and Mr. Bolton, longtime Republicans, worked directly for Mr. Trump. Mr. Bolton, in particular, is seen as potentially having greater sway with Republicans and independents because of his hawkish views, which he conveyed regularly on Fox News before joining the administration.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/politics/kupperman-subpoena-impeachment-trump.html
This was just brought up on Lawrence O'Donnell's show by a contributor (Katy Tur filling in).
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen a lawyer do.
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)The expansive notion of constitutional immunity invoked here to shield the President from judicial process would constitute an overreach of executive power, (judge) Marrero wrote.
It seems they're trying to catch some of the wacky GOP judges they appointed and run out the clock
getagrip_already
(14,791 posts)and are looking for cover. Plus, the ruling would clear the way for anyone subpoena'd to testify, regardless of wh objections.
A positive ruling couldn't be appealed by the wh because they aren't a party to the suit.
btw, bolton and this guy share a lawyer. So it is very definately being coordinated.
Bolton is as evil and vindictive as trump is, but he isn't an idiot. He is going to destroy trump and try to come out as some kind of hero.
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)the White House can starting bringing lawyers in
This ruling may help the House maximize the period of the investigation without White House lawyers trying to mess them up
I see the DoJ and the White House as basically the same party in this. It's wrong but it is the way that it is.
I don't like or trust Bolton. But if, as part of his derangement, he mortally damages Trump's stay in the Oval office, I'll hold my nose while he does so.
getagrip_already
(14,791 posts)All they can do is sit and council clients. The wh lawyers won't get a chance to cross examine anyone. That is up to the congress critters on the committees.
The senate is different. It's more trial like. The house is just conducting hearings. Different roles.
Marcuse
(7,495 posts)I couldnt tell from the Times article who Kupperman is suing. The suit named the House, Trump, Pelosi, Schiff, Engel and Maloney as defendants.
[link:https://www.lawfareblog.com/former-deputy-national-security-advisor-requests-declaratory-judgment-testimonial-immunity|
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)They asked for a response from the WH Counsel's office and got crickets. This looks to me as if the plaintiffs want to testify, but want the cover of a court decision to do so.
I'd bet dollar to donuts that Bolton wants to testify given how he was pushed out by Trump et al.
BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)especially with respect to Bolton.
But it seems the media wants to swing the reasoning the other way and suggest that the Executive Branch's arguments to not comply Congressional subpoenas for any reason, could somehow be considered "valid" by a court, and that taking the issue to court to decide who has precedence, may cause "problems" for Democrats.
LudwigPastorius
(9,160 posts)executive privilege is up against a congressional subpoena of a presidential senior adviser.
Indeed, judges are loathe to get involved in almost any fight between the two branches.
In its 1977 ruling in United States v. AT&T Co., the D.C. Circuit refused to resolve a dispute between the DOJ and the House of Representatives arising out of a subpoena the House had issued to a private company for records that DOJ claimed were protected by executive privilege. As Judge Harold Leventhal wrote:
Of course, that was 1977, and totally unrealistic in the expectation of cooperation.
I have a feeling the D.C. Circuit Court will punt.
BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)and would be associated with Presidential conduct. I.e., what happened with Nixon and subpoenas (U.S. vs Nixon).
This administration has attempted to declare everything - both before the election and since, as "executive privilege". And since what Congress is doing right now is related to an "impeachment inquiry", which past precedents have established has a higher authority to obtain documents and witness testimony, then that would make it a bit different from the case you cite regarding a private company and DOJ vs Congress, where I expect Congress was asserting a right for some sort of general oversight.