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demmiblue

(36,860 posts) Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:09 PM Dec 2019

Giuliani, Facing Scrutiny, Travels to Europe to Interview Ukrainians

Source: NYT

President Trump’s personal lawyer has been in Budapest and Kyiv this week to talk with former Ukrainian prosecutors for a documentary series intended to debunk the impeachment case.

WASHINGTON — Even as Democrats intensified their scrutiny this week of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s role in the pressure campaign against the Ukrainian government that is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, Mr. Giuliani has been in Europe continuing his efforts to shift the focus to purported wrongdoing by President Trump’s political rivals.

Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, met in Budapest on Tuesday with a former Ukrainian prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, who has become a key figure in the impeachment inquiry. He then traveled to Kyiv on Wednesday seeking to meet with other former Ukrainian prosecutors whose claims have been embraced by Republicans, including Viktor Shokin and Kostiantyn H. Kulyk, according to people familiar with the effort.

The former prosecutors, who have faced allegations of corruption, all played some role in promoting claims about former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a former United States ambassador to Ukraine and Ukrainians who disseminated damaging information about Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, in 2016.

Those claims — some baseless and others with key disputed elements — have been the foundations of the effort by Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani to pressure the Ukrainian government to commit itself to investigations that would benefit Mr. Trump heading into his re-election campaign. That effort in turn has led to the impeachment proceedings in the House against the president.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/giuliani-europe-impeachment.html

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Giuliani, Facing Scrutiny, Travels to Europe to Interview Ukrainians (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2019 OP

What a sad old clown Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #1

Are we still paying this fucker bluestarone Dec 2019 #2

he just isn't acting like someone facing indictment..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #3

So let me get this straight titaniumsalute Dec 2019 #4

That about sums it up. MissMillie Dec 2019 #5

Is Tsar Rudy going to be arrested at the airport when he lands back in NYC? Sancho Dec 2019 #6

I think Prof. Kaplan pointed out something very important... MissMillie Dec 2019 #7

Yes, I have also noted that this particular fact is often missed. PSPS Dec 2019 #9

They will be flooding youtube with this "DocuBS" or mailing out tons of DVD's, part of the yaesu Dec 2019 #8

Will he come back? orangecrush Dec 2019 #10

What a loser. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2019 #11

HOW STUPID IS THIS MAN ????? Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2019 #12

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)

1. What a sad old clown

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:24 PM

Dec 2019

in the Clown Club - did he sniff too much 9/11 air. The telomeres of his fame are getting awfully short, but, without dignity or conscience, he just keeps kicking up the dust of disease and personal brain pathology.

bluestarone

(16,971 posts)

2. Are we still paying this fucker

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:25 PM

Dec 2019

To fly around?

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)

3. he just isn't acting like someone facing indictment.....

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:30 PM

Dec 2019

He is acting like he is immune from prosecution, and feels free to continue to violate us law traveling the world.

He has a pardon. It is the only explanation.

And no, we wouldn't necessarily know. There is no requirement they be made public.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)

4. So let me get this straight

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:30 PM

Dec 2019

Trump and the Republicans claim they are SOOO worried about Ukraine corruption that it justified holding up military funding. But the corrupt politicians that were fired for being corrupt are OK for Giuliani to get dirt on regarding the Bidens. Of course Biden, et al, advocated these corrupt Prosecutors to be fired in the first place so obviously they have a big ax to grind.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)

5. That about sums it up.

Reply to titaniumsalute (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:44 PM

Dec 2019

*sigh*

Yeah, I know. All of us here know.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)

6. Is Tsar Rudy going to be arrested at the airport when he lands back in NYC?

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:47 PM

Dec 2019

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)

7. I think Prof. Kaplan pointed out something very important...

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:47 PM

Dec 2019

"Those claims — some baseless and others with key disputed elements — have been the foundations of the effort by Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani to pressure the Ukrainian government to commit itself to investigations that would benefit Mr. Trump heading into his re-election campaign."

Prof. Kaplan quoted Amb. Sondland's testimony that getting the investigations was not the immediate goal. The immediate goal was to get them to announce the investigations in a public setting.

That's a very critical point that needs to be clarified.

PSPS

(13,600 posts)

9. Yes, I have also noted that this particular fact is often missed.

Reply to MissMillie (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:21 PM

Dec 2019

trump didn't care about any actual investigation. all he wanted was a public announcement during Zelensky's CNN interview.

And all these people rudy is meeting, "former prosecutors" and the former president, were the corrupt ones that were ousted for being corrupt.