However, when you are talking about "proof" of things, then you are going to have to be able to also prove just exactly who shot that video, what was the chain of custody of the device and the file that NYT published, etc..

Now, I don't have any reason to believe that the video is not what it purports to be.

But, mark my words, sometime soon a major controversy of some kind is going to turn on an altered video.

Again, because of the jumpy nature of things on this site, I'm NOT saying this video is altered, and it is, in all likelihood, what it purports to be.

The reason for this request, however, is that Iran, and others, would like to know our monitoring satellite capabilities, as part of the larger body of evidence here is the detection of the targeting radar and missile launches by our satellites.

This is an interesting site to play with:

https://maps.esri.com/rc/sat2/index.html

But, yes, nobody would base conclusions on second-hand data absent actual access to the recorder itself.

The flight data recorder and voice recorder are specifically designed for forensic purposes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-intl-hnk/index.html

Saw a tweet a few hours ago: The wreck has already been removed, the site is not cordoned off and has already been scoured clean by metal-scavengers. Iran shot a few photos, but all the other evidence has either been destroyed or contaminated.




You know what that reminds me off?

In 2012 or so, there was a huge anti-IS protest in a turkish town just across the border from Syria. (Forgot name, but it begins with an S.)
Suddenly a bomb went off (for which the IS later claimed responsibility). As the protesters were still reeling from the explosion, dealing with dead and wounded, suddenly turkish security-forces descended out of nowhere and bludgeoned the protesters out of the area. For "safety-reasons". Then the plaza was hosed down, washing away any shred of evidence what had happened.

An investigation done by the turkish government absolved the turkish government of wrongdoing.

The Soviet fighter pilot responsible for shooting down the Korean Airlines 747 in 1983 refuses to believe to this day that he shot down an aircraft filled with civilian passengers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

eastern Ukraine by Russia where I think Russia still denies.

One thing I have to say about Iran, they are a match with t-rump on lies.

That said, R.I.P. and comfort for their families.

True, because the type of missle used (Tor) doesn't hit its target, it has a proximity fuse that causes it to explode near the target, but not hit it.

Always look very carefully at what politicians say, it's often not what they appear to be saying & the media almost always misses it.

a dash cam? Maybe. I would think the only way that video (the missile hitting something vid) is legit is if that person was aware that this was going to happen. Otherwise, the odds of winning the lottery are better.

And, this is certainly not an attempt to take blame away from Iran. If I'm wrong, so be it. It's just an attempt to not insult my ability to process information and visuals and blindly believe what my country tells me.

My two cents.

And then decided to start recording video after seeing something odd that happened in the sky?

I was not aware that The New York Times was your country.

That Iran is denying everything but completely cleans the crash site. Well, not really shocked.

Anyone want to bet the investigators they have invited will be provided portions of the wreckage but the majority will not be available?

Iran's investigators will investigate.

The black boxes will be as clean as the recordings of Epstein's suicide.

would know the difference between a departing air liner and an incoming bomber.

At this point, the likelihood is that US forces shot it down by mistake.

that the US could fire a missile into Iran without Iran knowing about it - and impossible that if they had, the Iranian government wouldn't be telling the world.

The Canadian, UK, Australian Prime Ministers have all made statements that Iran shot the plan down.

Iran's own actions after the crash would support the argument that Iran shot the plane down. No one who wants to clear their name destroys all the evidence that could exonerate themselves.

Do you really think the US did it????

First of all, we'd have to have had a fighter smack over Tehran to launch an air-to-air missile. I guess that is theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.

Second, this kind of thing is extremely common in the fog of war. It was some junior-grade LT on a SAM who freaked out.

Whoa.

Iran ought to think about having us get those out of there.

If the US shot it down, then why do you suppose Iran is denying it was shot down.

Don't you think Iran would want everyone to know that the US shot it down?

It would be between Iran's denial they shot it down and the resurrection of the idea the US shot it down.

The question is how the US would have managed to shoot the plane.
Do you think the US may have used a Magic Missile?

It's part of the technology that we recovered from the alien spacecraft at Roswell.

The real question is why, if the US shot it down, the Iranians are not even claiming that.

Mark my words, sometime in the next few weeks, you will see this claim somewhere on the internet.

US forces are just as likely, if not mores, to know the difference between a departing commercial airliner and an incoming bomber.

Plus, the plane had just left Tehran -- where exactly was the US anti-aircraft that you think shot it down located?

Finally, if there was any remote likelihood that the US had shot down the plane, don't you think Iran would be screaming about that at the top of its lungs?

By what method exactly? The nearest US forces are over 400 miles away. So they acquired/locked on/fired a missile and hit a plane 400+ miles away in 3 minutes? We have zero systems capable of that.

I suppose you can put on a tin-foil hat and say a US stealth fighter was loitering over Tehran and taking pot shots at airliners...but stealth is low visibility/low radar signature, not zero visibility/zero radar. They do show up on radar at some point, especially when they open their weapons pods and fire a missile.

The victims, some of whom were Iranian citizens, deserve as much.