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appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 07:44 PM Jan 2020

Hungary Says It Will Offer Free Fertility Treatments To Counter Population Deficits

Source: NPR

Hungary has announced that it will offer free in-vitro fertilization treatments, the latest major initiative to try to boost the country's population numbers, which have been declining for decades.

Hungary's nationalist right-wing prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said during an international news conference Thursday that IVF treatments would be provided for free starting Feb. 1. The government recently purchased six private fertility clinics, and Orbán said the fertility sector is "of national strategic importance," as the Financial Times reported.

Orbán is fiercely opposed to immigration and has said that increasing national fertility rates is his preferred way to counter the population downturn and risk of labor shortages. Fewer than 10 million people live in Hungary. "If we want Hungarian children instead of immigrants and if the Hungarian economy can generate the necessary funding, then the only solution is to spend as much of the funds as possible on supporting families and raising children," the prime minister was quoted as saying by the BBC.

Orbán has also introduced other dramatic measures to encourage Hungarians to procreate. Last year, he said women who have four or more children will enjoy an income tax waiver for life, and that couples with three or more children are eligible to have certain loans forgiven.


Read more: https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795211211/hungary-says-it-will-offer-free-fertility-treatments-to-counter-population-decli



Orban also said that bringing fertility clinics under state control would "make what happens to the fertilized eggs fully transparent during the entire process," and fertility treatment in Hungary won't be run on a "market basis" anymore.

The PM did not appear to offer any specific restrictions about who is eligible to receive free treatments. In the U.S. the average IVF treatment can cost a total of $40,000-$60,000, costs in other countries are lower.

By 2080, the population in Hungary is likely to decline by about 11%. The average annual number of births in Hungary is now less than half of what it was in 1950. Other European countries such as Greece and Italy, have even lower birth rates.

Last September, Hungary's speaker of parliament, László Kövér, stressed that "having children is a public matter, not a private one." He added that people who don't have kids are "not normal" and "stand on the side of death."

- How Democracy Died in Hungary, Vox, 2018,
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17823488/hungary-democracy-authoritarianism-trump

- Lebensborn, The Nazi Breeding and Infanticide Program
https://timeline.com/the-nazi-breeding-and-infanticide-program-you-probably-never-knew-about-cc5cc7b82fdc
Between 1935 and 1945, the secret program encouraged racially “fit” women to bear children for the Reich and protected babies thought to exemplify Nazi Germany’s Aryan ideals. Translated as “fount of life,” the Lebensborn program involved secret birthing facilities, hidden identities, and the theft of hundreds of thousands of children.
The program has its roots in World War I, which decimated Germany’s male population and contributed to a sharp decline in the country’s birth rates, which fell 43 percent between 1920 and 1932..



- Viktor Orban, far-right Prime Minister of Hungary addresses the international media at a press conference on Thursday.
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Hungary Says It Will Offer Free Fertility Treatments To Counter Population Deficits (Original Post) appalachiablue Jan 2020 OP
Fertility rates have been dropping world wide for decades. Women are feeling their power and Kurt V. Jan 2020 #1
Absolutely Right modrepub Jan 2020 #10
Opening up his borders would help with that ... CatMor Jan 2020 #2
Not with their anti-democ. govt. building walls to keep people out appalachiablue Jan 2020 #3
He is unbelievable .... CatMor Jan 2020 #5
The country has really slid back to authoritarianism appalachiablue Jan 2020 #6
You say anti-democratic, but ... Odoreida Jan 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Jan 2020 #8
Since Orban took office 9 years ago there's been major appalachiablue Jan 2020 #9
Once government breeding is done bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #4
People are reluctant to have children. . . Collimator Jan 2020 #11
Why is the EU tolerating this? jcmaine72 Jan 2020 #12
That's a good question, and the same about what's appalachiablue Jan 2020 #13
That time racism killed the planet... meadowlander Jan 2020 #14
"From 2008 to 2018, some 1 million people emigrated" dalton99a Jan 2020 #15

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
1. Fertility rates have been dropping world wide for decades. Women are feeling their power and
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jan 2020

using it. There is no stopping that.

modrepub

(3,501 posts)
10. Absolutely Right
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jan 2020

I'll also say that even in most modern states where women are given more equal standing with men (but not full), women are still disproportionally saddled with child care responsibilities. Until men step up and split child rearing responsibilities I don't see birthrate increase policies that governments enact actually help increase birth rates.

Even at my work place where most of the positions are filled with women, recent changes in work rule flexibility (work from home options) have many women in my office scrambling to come up with child care options and considering switching jobs with more flexible working conditions. I don't see tax incentives by themselves enticing more people to have more children (though some people want big families regardless).

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
3. Not with their anti-democ. govt. building walls to keep people out
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

Orbán has also introduced other dramatic measures to encourage Hungarians to procreate. Last year, he said women who have four or more children will enjoy an income tax waiver for life, and that couples with three or more children are eligible to have certain loans forgiven.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
5. He is unbelievable ....
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:46 PM
Jan 2020

all four of my grandparents emigrated here from Hungary and they would be appalled with him if they were alive. It is like being under communist rule all over again.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
7. You say anti-democratic, but ...
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

The Hungarian electoral process is far more democratic than for example that of The United States.

Response to Odoreida (Reply #7)

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
9. Since Orban took office 9 years ago there's been major
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:40 AM
Jan 2020

change in Hungary's institutions as these two articles enumerate. The free press, bought up by oligarchs is essentially gone and can no longer be a voice for Orban's political opponents; the constitution was adjusted to allow more gerrymandering and vote suppression; judges were made to resign at age 62 so the courts could be packed, and the economy is largely controlled by ultra conservative business people, cronies of the Prime Minister.

There's not a whole lot of functioning democracy there. And democratic institutions are under stress in the US- the trying electoral college, right leaning SC, vote suppression, corporate media that is increasingly concentrated, monopolistic and right leaning, and more.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17823488/hungary-democracy-authoritarianism-trump

https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/how-4-more-years-of-trump-could-send-the-u-s-down-the-path-toward-corrupt-oligarchy/

bucolic_frolic

(43,252 posts)
4. Once government breeding is done
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020

how will they keep the people from leaving? I mean to say, who wants to have more kids because the government gives financial incentives? "Let's get another in the oven for Orban"? Isn't family, love, commitment a personal matter, and not a government one?

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
11. People are reluctant to have children. . .
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jan 2020

. . .because they don't know what sort of life their children have waiting for them. Put the money behind policies that improve people's way of life and they will feel hope for the future.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
12. Why is the EU tolerating this?
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jan 2020

Hungary (and Poland as well) has become a rogue state within the EU. It's become a bastion of white supremacy, xenophobia and homophobia. Isn't there some internal legal mechanism within the EU to prevent one of their member states from degenerating into full-blown Nazism?

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
13. That's a good question, and the same about what's
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

going on with Poland. Not to mention Italy, extremism surfacing in Britain, more.

Orban accomplished many of his goals in a relatively short period of time, and the EU was slow to notice-- as mentioned in the Vox article posted above with the OP, I think.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17823488/hungary-democracy-authoritarianism-trump

https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/how-4-more-years-of-trump-could-send-the-u-s-down-the-path-toward-corrupt-oligarchy/

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