Now it’s state side and the virus is transmitting from human to human. Hopefully fatality rates stay low.

can infect 20-30 people at once, called a super spreader.😳 They think that's how the 14 healthcare workers caught the virus.

...sadly, we were right.

than we imagined as far as government response.
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I was curious how long ago I had first posted about it.

Almost 2 months ago - and the OP only got 13 recs.

I bet some of the replies made the OP feel crazy, a feeling I have been getting accustomed to. Until about a week ago, I felt like I had been dropped into a dystopian horror movie and was waiting for everyone else to show up.😔

Twitter's full of tweets showing empty shelves everywhere.

I'm good for 3 weeks. After that, it's a matter of survival between me and my dogs - who eats who first.

I was at Wal-Mart on Tuesday, it was fairly normal. No hand sanitizer/they were restocking TP.
I'm about to find out.
Are you in NY?

No sign of panic, except in me a little bit.

Stay safe out there!

I suppose it could take six months or so to develop one, if the outbreak worsens.

Kidney failure is one bad outcome. Scary stuff.

But it comes from the same type of viruses that produced SARS which had a 10% fatality rate and MERS which had a 30% fatality rate.

how can they make a vaccine? I understand that even if fully cured, some people have gotten the virus again.

China's population is 1,386,000,000.

According to a random post on Quora, about 9 million people die every year in China.

US population is 331,000,000

According to CDC information reported on a random site, US deaths annually are just under 3 million, or were a few years ago.

I'm not dismissing the 300 coronavirus cases in China or the 6 deaths, or the possibility that it is now in several other countries, including the US. After all, if I were one of the people or died, or if one of my family members died, my family or I would be up in arms that more wasn't done to prevent this. But these are very small numbers. The number of ebola deaths from 2000-2017, according to the CDC website, was under 400. There is always a furor over outbreaks, especially when they move beyond the borders of Africa, and efforts to limit outbreaks are welcome. But "only" 400 deaths in almost 20 years.

And maybe the international coverage is warranted if the spread of this virus could result in the sort of flu epidemic that killed 50 million worldwide in 1918. Just using straight percentages, that would be more than 200 million deaths today. On the one hand, that would be bad from, if nothing else, the sheer logistics of dealing with this many dead people in short order. Plus, an unexpected 200 million dead people is, well, pretty awful. But what makes modern humans think that we are immune from these sorts of events, even with modern medicine and other resources.

In comparison to gun deaths (in the US) and other causes of death worldwide - cancer and other medical issues accidents, poor medical care, civil and not so civil wars - maybe some perspective is called for. I'm not sure we're at the hysteria mode, but my guess is we will be at some point relatively soon.

Random thoughts, I suppose. But we've been here before.

years like the bird flu and swine flu for example.

"If you watch Fox News, you have Ebola."

That’s why we have places like the CDC that monitors these situations. If anything, it’ll serve as a reminder to people to wash their damn hands once in a while. Lol.

What we know right now is, this has a high rate of infection. The one man that was sick lead to 14 medical workers infected. It has now been confirmed that it infects person to person. It is now in the US.

What we need to watch for is fatality rate and if it can spread through airborne transmission. This will determine how serious to take it.

the stupid and evil and narcissistic, people are really on edge because are they telling the truth? Or is more propaganda?

According to the CDC itself, as many as 18,000,000 people caught the flu in 2019 and as many as 17,000 people died because of the flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Not trying to diminish the seriousness we should take this new viral outbreak but we should also keep perspective and be calm.
We are no where near the level of panic of the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918, that killed more people in the world than died in WWI.

Stay aware and be informed and wash your hands. That is your best defense

An average flu kills maybe 1%, mostly the young, old and medically vulnerable. So far, this has killed 2%, but that 2% might be inflated because that's among people who were ill enough to seek medical care.

The 1918 flu pandemic killed 10%-20%, depending on the source (and the population) and killed many adults in their prime. There were three waves of this flu, the second wave being the deadliest.

So even if this turns out to be twice as deadly as a normal flu virus, it's not nearly as scary as the last pandemic.

There are still a lot of questions around transmission method and viral load and patient susceptibility that need to be answered but I'm not quite ready to hit the panic button and stock up on surgical masks. Right now, we don't know how many people have gotten over it with just a case of the sniffles because large scale testing for antibodies won't happen for a while.

I'm sure people will be shrieking coverup at China. That has not been the case since they have been on the outlook for mutated coronavirus for the last several years and announced it immediately upon discovery. The truth is that a less virulent strain is always harder to track because people who catch the mildest cases of it don't go to the doctor.

to develop biological weapons of this and other types.

That's funny.

So far it has killed six of the 300 people it has infected. The CDC says it appears to be less courageous than the measles or the flu:

While there's much to learn about how easily the virus can be transmitted human-to-human, health officials said it appears that it's not spread as easily as some other viruses.

"This isn't anywhere near in the same category as measles or the flu," Dr. Martin Cetron, director of CDC's division of global migration and quarantine, told CNN.

I probably shouldn't have been so succinct in my reply, nor should I have phrased it as a question. I was rushed for time and wanted the person posting the statistics to give them some thought. I should know better by now than to make a drive by comment, and a vaguely snarky one at that. My sincere apologies.

I have a friend who panics at just about anything and everything. She's the type to start buying water and boarding up her house when a tropical disturbance begins to form off the coast of Africa. Of course she saw this story and leapt to the conclusion we were going to be living the plot of "Contagion." Panic is the last thing we need. Concern, yes. Take it seriously, yes. Rational response, absolutely. But I've got enough to freak out about right now without a pandemic thrown into the mix. I think I'll wait for the professionals to lose their shit before I will.

Remember when there were those few Ebola cases in the US, and it noticeably hit Obama's approval rating

There are probably many who just stayed at home, thinking of it as "a virus", or "flu", and some of them have probably survived it by now. The estimate was that 1700 have had the virus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51148303 , so that "31 outcomes known" figure probably excludes many whose outcome was OK.

and maybe die? The 1919 Flu killed many and here we are 100 years later and at the same point.

U.S. gets 1st case of new virus that caused an outbreak in China
Health Jan 21, 2020 3:41 PM EST

SEATTLE — A U.S. resident who recently returned from an overseas trip has been diagnosed with the new virus that has sparked an outbreak in China and stringent monitoring around the world, U.S. health officials said Tuesday. The man returned to the Seattle area in the middle of last week after traveling to Wuhan in central China, where the outbreak began. The Snohomish County resident is in his 30s and was in good condition Tuesday at a hospital in Everett, outside Seattle. He’s not considered a threat to medical staff or the public, health officials said.

The U.S. is the fifth country to report seeing the illness, following China, Thailand, Japan, and South Korea.

READ MORE: More nations join China in responding to new coronavirus

Late last week, U.S. health officials began screening passengers from Wuhan at three U.S. airports — New York City’s Kennedy airport and the Los Angeles and San Francisco airports. On Tuesday, the CDC announced it will add Chicago’s O’Hare airport and Atlanta’s airport to the mix later this week. What’s more, officials will begin forcing all passengers that originate in Wuhan to go to one of those five airports if they wish to enter the U.S.

Officials around the world have implemented similar airport screenings in hopes of containing the virus during the busy Lunar New Year travel season. The U.S. resident had no symptoms when he arrived at the Seattle-Tacoma airport last Wednesday, but he contacted doctors on Sunday when he started feeling ill, officials said. Last month, doctors began seeing a new type of viral pneumonia — fever, cough, difficulty breathing — in people who spent time at a food market in Wuhan. More than 275 cases of the newly identified coronavirus have been confirmed in China, most of them in Wuhan, according to the World Health Organization.

The count includes six deaths — all in China, most of them age 60 or older, including at least some who had a previous medical condition.

Officials have said it probably spread from animals to people, but this Chinese officials said they’ve concluded it also can spread from person to person. Health authorities this month identified the germ behind the outbreak as a new type of coronavirus. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses, some of which cause the common cold; others found in bats, camels and other animals have evolved into more severe illnesses.

SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, belongs to the coronavirus family, but Chinese state media say the illness in Wuhan is different from coronaviruses that have been identified in the past. Earlier laboratory tests ruled out SARS and MERS — Middle East respiratory syndrome — as well as influenza, bird flu, adenovirus and other common lung-infecting germs. The new virus so far does not appear to be as deadly as SARS and MERS, but viruses can sometimes mutate to become more dangerous...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/u-s-gets-1st-case-of-new-virus-that-caused-an-outbreak-in-china