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Coventina

(27,121 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:46 PM Jan 2020

Coronavirus: China accused of 'burning bodies in secret'

Source: New Zealand Herald

World health officials, back from a visit to Beijing, expressed great concern that a dangerous new virus was spreading between people outside of China, even as the number of illnesses continue to grow dramatically inside that Asian nation.

The new virus has now infected more people in China than were sickened during the 2002-2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak. On Wednesday, the number of cases jumped to 5974, surpassing the 5327 people diagnosed with SARS.

The death toll, which stood at 132 on Wednesday, is lower than the 348 people who died in China from SARS.

Doubts have been raised about the official death toll, however, with claims Chinese authorities have been cremating bodies in secret.

Chinese-language news outlet Initium interviewed people working at local cremation centres in Wuhan, who said bodies were being sent directly from hospitals without being properly identified and added to the official record.

Read more: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12304547



This could be bad.....
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padah513

(2,503 posts)
1. Not to make light of this as it is a terrible thing if this is happening but
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

Stephen King's "The Stand" comes to mind. If true, they are trying to hide the numbers of what could be a pandemic. Captain Trips is was it was called in the novel.

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
3. Its not even close to the virus in that novel as the novels virus killed most of the people
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:24 PM
Jan 2020

on the planet where as this has only infected a small number of people and of those the death rate is rather statistically small.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
2. The problem with preventing a pandemic
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jan 2020

is that if you wait until you're sure it's going to become a pandemic you've waited too long.

Exponential growth curves are a b*tch.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
12. No country in the world is prepared for a pandemic.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jan 2020

Certainly not China or even the US. WHO needs to get the facts and get them fast. It is obvious that containment is not going to keep this thing in China for much longer. (Yes, I know that there are cases elsewhere.) For those patients in other nations, they need to be quarantined in negative-flow rooms and worked up fast.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
6. Scary. I found this article from the Telegraph.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:38 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/25/quick-burials-lack-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/
In it it describes Chinese officials scrubbing posts about inadequate care and testing. It also addresses the bodies being cremated without being tested.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
8. This isn't the first I've read of such reports.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:47 PM
Jan 2020

These accounts from family members were in an WaPo article a week ago.

Although Chen had all the symptoms of the coronavirus that is spreading across China and beyond, she is not counted on the official list of those who have died as a result of the infection. Her death certificate, which her family showed to The Washington Post, reads “severe pneumonia.”

But hospital staff told her stepson, Kyle Hui, that they strongly suspected she had “that” kind of pneumonia. At the crematorium, where the workers were in hazmat suits, Chen’s body was immediately incinerated without a proper farewell, and the vehicle it arrived in was disinfected.

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Hui and his siblings believe their mother had the coronavirus.
Tellingly, the family has received no bill from the hospital — consistent with the authorities’ pledge to cover the costs of all those infected with the mysterious virus, which started in a food market where wild and exotic animals were being sold for consumption.
Chen had never been to the market, Hui said, but she did go to the nearby station to catch the train to Xiamen.

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There have also been other reports of people, in addition to Chen, who appear to have died in the coronavirus outbreak but are not included in the official tally.
Both of Xu Xinlei’s parents died nine days apart in Wuhan from “lung infections” that she believes were coronavirus.

Her 72-year-old mother was hospitalized in mid-December for a heart problem and developed a fever while admitted. She was moved to the respiratory department, then quarantined. She died on Jan. 12, Xu told Beijing News.

Xu’s father, who had been visiting his wife in the hospital, then grew short of breath. When a scan showed he had a lung infection, doctors told Xu to move him to one of “those” hospitals, she said, referring to the institutions treating patients with coronavirus.
He died Tuesday. Neither of them were tested for the virus. Both, like Chen, were cremated immediately.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-families-tell-of-pneumonia-like-deaths-in-wuhan-some-wonder-if-china-virus-count-is-too-low/2020/01/22/0f50b1e6-3d07-11ea-971f-4ce4f94494b4_story.html

My best guess would be they were trying to hide/downplay the H2H transmissions while their official claim was it was only those exposed to the wild animal market who became ill. Even though they knew otherwise.

The latest official numbers:
New cases: 1737
Total cases: 7711
New deaths: 38
Total deaths: 170

Response to Coventina (Original post)

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
11. Sounds a lot like the mass graves from the 1918-1920 flu pandemic.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jan 2020

That pandemic ran from January 1918 to December 1920.

If it goes pandemic, the only saving grace we may have is the virus’s less virulent strains will be what’s left at the end of it. Natural selection at work.

patphil

(6,182 posts)
13. This particular Coronavirus hasn't been around very long.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jan 2020

And, I am pretty sure China is low-balling the number of cases and deaths. The fact that they built a special hospital to hold the people who have the virus shows how serious it is.
Also reports of undocumented deaths where the bodies are cremated is a sure sign the scope is being managed.
This disease could have a devastating effect on the Chinese economy in general and tourism in particular. And thus, the government needs to both control the spread of the virus, and the spread of information about the scope of the disease.
They don't want to panic the citizens.

My unprofessional guess is that it will easily surpass SARS in deaths, if it hasn't already. It's an airborne virus with a 3 day incubation period, making it easy for widespread dissemination.
All we can do is watch and wait, and hope the governments and medical personnel around the world are able to get a handle on it quickly.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
14. Can't trust anything the Chinese government says
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

They will do anything to underreport and not have the perception of weakness or vulnerability.

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