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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:37 PM Feb 2020

Jordan Peterson seeks 'emergency' drug detox treatment in Russia

Source: CBC

Jordan Peterson's family says he has sought "emergency" drug detox treatment in Russia, after several failed attempts to overcome his dependence on a potent anti-anxiety medication.

The controversial University of Toronto psychology professor and internationally famous self-help guru is said to have been in a Moscow hospital for the past month, recovering from both the "incredibly gruelling" treatment and a severe case of pneumonia.

"He's had to spend four weeks in the ICU in terrible shape, but, with the help of some extremely competent and courageous doctors, he survived," his daughter Mikhaila Peterson said in an online video, posted Friday evening. "The uncertainty around his recovery has been one of the most difficult and scary experiences we've ever had."

The 57-year-old professor has been out of the public eye since September, when it was first disclosed by his daughter that he was seeking treatment for his dependence on clonazepam, a benzodiazepine tranquilizer that is often prescribed to patients with panic issues.

Read more: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/jordan-peterson-treatment-russia-1.5456939

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Jordan Peterson seeks 'emergency' drug detox treatment in Russia (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2020 OP
I wish this misogynist a swift recovery. Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #1
Going off BZO is no joke Recursion Feb 2020 #2
Your "Get Your Life Together" Genius, Everybody! greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #3
Dependence and addiction are not the same thing. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #11
This guy made his bones greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #14
Cigarette smokers are drug addicts, but not especially chemically dependent on tobacco. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #17
Tell that to a grumpy quitter. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #19
Cigarette smokers are both addicted to and chemically dependent on nicotine (not tobacco). Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #22
"If you're an angry aimless loser, look to a drug addict for life advice" RockRaven Feb 2020 #4
But millions of Rush listeners did that. Jus' sayin' irisblue Feb 2020 #5
See above. Dependence and addiction are NOT the same thing, and shouldn't be conflated. N/T Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #12
Exactly. Before I retired, I was on 80 mg of Oxycontin & 800 mcg Fentanyl lollipops catbyte Feb 2020 #23
I'm very sorry to hear that you've been in that kind of pain for so long. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #24
Thank you. These days, the signal to noise ratio on this topic is way out of whack and that's catbyte Feb 2020 #26
Good lord not fooled Feb 2020 #6
Bingo Recursion Feb 2020 #8
He's called a crank in philosophy as well greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #15
In honor of his crusade against "political correctness",... LudwigPastorius Feb 2020 #7
Yes, why does he get to determine what we call him? It's ordinary language! greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #13
Alrighty then.... sdfernando Feb 2020 #9
LOL. I'm sure there's one already waiting for him in Melania's purse! SunSeeker Feb 2020 #10
What is it with prescription drug abuse and right wing blowhards? Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #20
What evidence do you have that Peterson is abusing his medication? N/T Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #25
The whole article posted above Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #27
No, it doesn't work that way. Don't demand that I prove a negative. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #28
I admit there is insufficient evidence for you to claim Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #29
Oh my... Kali Feb 2020 #16
This sounds odd to me. He's been in Russia all these months? yardwork Feb 2020 #18
Put into an induced coma to treat pneumonia? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #21
OMG he was on a beef, salt and water only diet. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #30

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Going off BZO is no joke
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:42 PM
Feb 2020

I also hope he can recover quickly, and hopefully learn something from this.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
3. Your "Get Your Life Together" Genius, Everybody!
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:47 PM
Feb 2020

The man who was going to help all the young mens get their shit together is...checks notes...addicted to benzos.

The fact that he's in Russia is very on brand, though.

Jedi Guy

(3,242 posts)
11. Dependence and addiction are not the same thing.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:45 PM
Feb 2020

Per the article, he's dependent on benzos, not addicted. One can be chemically dependent on a substance but not be addicted to it. Dependence means the body has become so reliant on the chemical that it cannot function normally without it. Addiction is a wide range of behavioral issues, and typically involves abusing a medication in a way contrary to its intended purpose. Dependence and addiction often occur together, but that's not always necessarily the case.

I may not agree with him, but I have sympathy and empathy for him. Benzos are some of the absolute worst drugs a person can become dependent on. I don't envy him the road ahead.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
14. This guy made his bones
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 04:26 PM
Feb 2020

bullying trans students and pushing incel nonsense that has literally gotten people killed.

On top of that, he very openly positioned himself as somebody telling others, especially the "cultural Marxists" on the "left" how they should live their lives.

Fuck him actually sideways. He's a big part of why we are where we are.

Jedi Guy

(3,242 posts)
22. Cigarette smokers are both addicted to and chemically dependent on nicotine (not tobacco).
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:16 PM
Feb 2020

Trying to quit is doubly difficult because the act of smoking is associated with comfort, reduced stress, pleasure, etc. Some smokers who try to quit will chew on a pen or a toothpick to simulate the act of smoking, the so-called oral fixation. This is the addiction component, the psychological and behavioral aspect.

The other component is the chemical dependency on nicotine. If you've never smoked, ask any smoker about "nic fits." If you go too long without your fix, you get jumpy, irritable, anxious, etc. In extreme cases, nausea and abdominal cramps are possible, among other things. This is the chemical dependency component.

Certain drugs, if one is dependent on them, have extremely nasty withdrawal effects. This is most certainly the case with benzos.

catbyte

(34,421 posts)
23. Exactly. Before I retired, I was on 80 mg of Oxycontin & 800 mcg Fentanyl lollipops
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 06:55 PM
Feb 2020

3 x daily for approximately 15 years just to keep working full time. When I retired, I was losing prescription coverage and the cost of those meds is ridiculous so I wanted to change meds. I tapered down over a month to nothing in my system with absolutely no problems except drastically increased pain levels. Now I'm on much smaller doses of much less "controversial" and strong pain meds and I'm doing fine. I was and am physically dependent on pain meds, but not psychologically. I don't miss the Oxy or Fentanyl at all and I'm on what amounts to about 1/10 of what I was on before. But then my body reacts to meds differently. I don't recall ever feeling "high" on any of my meds. My pain seemed to suck up all the meds, allowing me to live a normal life instead of balled up on the couch in a fetal position sobbing in pain. That's why I get so pissed off at anti-pain drug people. I can't be the only person that reacts to pain meds that way.

Jedi Guy

(3,242 posts)
24. I'm very sorry to hear that you've been in that kind of pain for so long.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 07:14 PM
Feb 2020

People who don't live with chronic pain can't understand it. It eats at you every moment of every day, and you reach a point where you just can't stand it anymore and you have to have some relief. I've been there, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

It just bugs me to hear people assume that if a person is using a medication like pain meds or benzos, then they're just a junkie addict. In your case, you used your meds responsibly and for the right reasons, and you were still chemically dependent on them, but you were by no means an addict. I really wish people would educate themselves in order to grasp that distinction, doctors included.

catbyte

(34,421 posts)
26. Thank you. These days, the signal to noise ratio on this topic is way out of whack and that's
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:07 PM
Feb 2020

making so many people suffer unnecessarily. I'm lucky that I have a very conscientious and competent pain doctor. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am. I've been seeing him since 1994 and he's very diligent about making sure his patients have a legitimate pain syndrome. If they don't they have to go elsewhere. Again, thank you!

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
6. Good lord
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:07 PM
Feb 2020

I had never heard of this tool before, so did a little reading. Looks like he was the perfect "intellectual" frontman to give a veneer of academic credibility to RW ideals and insinuate them into the public discourse. Unfortunately, as so often happens with these chest beaters, the reality is that he's a massive hypocrite with major issues. Perfect.


Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Bingo
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020

A psychologist and self-help author who decided he had discovered a hidden flaw in all of western philosophy since about 1806 that just hadn't been noticed by any of the philosophers after that. In science that person gets called a crank and ignored. In philosophy he gets a radio talk show.

LudwigPastorius

(9,164 posts)
7. In honor of his crusade against "political correctness",...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020

I will, from now on, refer to him not as someone in the throes of chemical dependency, but simply as a pathetic junkie.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
20. What is it with prescription drug abuse and right wing blowhards?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:35 AM
Feb 2020

Trump abusez Adderall and possibly other stimulants. Limpballs abused OxyContin and hydrocodone. And now this Right Wing idiot.

Seems these blowhards have some kind of problem they are using drugs to mask. It's hard to live with yourself if you are that nasty.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
27. The whole article posted above
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:41 PM
Feb 2020

"The 57-year-old professor has been out of the public eye since September, when it was first disclosed by his daughter that he was seeking treatment for his dependence on clonazepam, a benzodiazepine tranquilizer that is often prescribed to patients with panic issues."

Most doctors Do Not prescribe amounts that make their patients dependent. If they do, they usually don't let it get so out of hand that the patient needs emergency detox. If they do, the patient should be filing a malpractice suit.

"He has sought "emergency" drug detox treatment in Russia, after several failed attempts to overcome his dependence on a potent anti-anxiety medication."

You do not seek emergency drug detox in Russia if you are carefully following your doctors orders. What evidence do you have that he was not abusing his prescription drugs?

Jedi Guy

(3,242 posts)
28. No, it doesn't work that way. Don't demand that I prove a negative.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:50 PM
Feb 2020

If you're on a benzo for any significant length of time, two things will happen: one, you will develop a tolerance to it, and will need a larger dose to get the same effect, and two, you will become chemically dependent on the medication. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Peterson has, per the article, been taking clonazepam for years. The article also mentions that his dose was increased last spring, which precipitated the problems.

The article also refers to doctors placing him in a medically induced coma. The likely reason for them to do that was for him to be unconscious during the extremely unpleasant withdrawal period as his body acclimated to not having the drug. Essentially, everything in the article speaks to dependence, not addiction. The two are not the same.

You can assert all day long that he's addicted to clonazepam, but contrary to what you believe, the article provides no proof to back up that assertion.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
29. I admit there is insufficient evidence for you to claim
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:27 PM
Feb 2020

He was not abusing a commonly addictive medication.

You don't seek emergency medical detox in Russia if you are carefully following your doctor's orders. If you do, then you need to file a lawsuit. There is no mention of malpractice in the article. That leads me to believe he was not following his doctors orders or was doctor shopping both if which are indications of abuse.

Yes, many medications can be addictive and are abused. A good doctor monitors it so that it does not become an emergency situation like this did.

Why did he go to Russia? As stated in the article, that Russian hospital has no more expertise in drug withdrawal then many good US hospitals. Why did he leave the country to get medical attention? Because he didn't want authorities or right wing followers to know. Why did he hide it if it was just a matter of chemical addiction? He could have comeback to his followers and used it as a teaching moment. He is in that profession. But when you abuse prescription drugs like Rush Limpball and other right wing blowhards you hide what you are doing.

To assume it was merely a case of chemical addiction does not explain his leaving the country or why it became an emergency detox situation.

I am not 100% convinced that it is abuse, I am open to further evidence. But at this point simple addiction to a commonly addictive substance does not fit the facts. Abuse fits the strange choices made in this case and until additional facts are presented, the preponderance of evidence indicates abuse.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
21. Put into an induced coma to treat pneumonia?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:01 PM
Feb 2020

Jeez, his daughter thinks that shows the Russian doctors "have the guts to medically detox someone from benzodiazepines".

I wonder if they also stopped his "beef, salt and water-only" diet, which she had persuaded him to follow (obviously they did during the coma)? I mean, if you're looking for something that damaged him ...

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
30. OMG he was on a beef, salt and water only diet.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:32 PM
Feb 2020

What a stupid idea. How long was he on it? I hope he was taking vitamins.

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