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Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:45 PM Feb 2020

Utah Senate votes to unanimously decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults

Source: Reuters


BY JENNIFER DOBNER REUTERS
Posted February 18, 2020 4:29 pm
Updated February 18, 2020 4:38 pm

The Utah state Senate voted unanimously on Tuesday to effectively decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults, approving a bill to reduce the penalty for plural marriage from a felony to an infraction on par with a traffic ticket.

The Republican-sponsored bill easing the law on polygamy, a practice with deep religious roots in the predominantly Mormon Western state, now moves to the Utah House of Representatives, where it is likely to face greater resistance.

Under current law, the practice of polygamy in Utah – typically involving a man who cohabitates with and purports to marry more than one wife – is treated as a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

If the newly passed Senate bill becomes law, punishments for plural marriage would be limited to fines of up to US$750 and community service. No jail time could be imposed.

Read more: https://globalnews.ca/news/6565225/utah-senate-polygamy-decriminalized/

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Utah Senate votes to unanimously decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2020 OP
I lived in Utah customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #1
Great. Only the way they practice it out there, it is usually not among consenting adults. Squinch Feb 2020 #2
Old - Grown enough to marry keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #10
+1 2naSalit Feb 2020 #13
Even if legally,adults there may not be consent. alphafemale Feb 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author softydog88 Feb 2020 #3
that is what I thought rurallib Feb 2020 #12
Well, sorta. TomSlick Feb 2020 #25
Ah....those pressing needs are being met in Utah Hulk Feb 2020 #4
It ain't women. It's little girls usually. Squinch Feb 2020 #14
How progressive of them! Canoe52 Feb 2020 #5
Didn't they oppose gay marriage on the grounds that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman? RockRaven Feb 2020 #6
Good move Warpy Feb 2020 #7
I have no problem with polygamy... TomVilmer Feb 2020 #8
Child rape. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #9
Of course! Mormon men are like trRUMP; they like to grab them some pussy and more is better. abqtommy Feb 2020 #11
Probably not. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #16
Which spouse is the official/legal spouse? keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #15
I want to see what they think of a woman with two (or more) husbands. catrose Feb 2020 #18
I eagerly await the response from the rest of the "one-man-one-woman" Religious Right jmbar2 Feb 2020 #19
Well I certainly can't speak for all of them OriginalGeek Feb 2020 #38
If they can all be married legally, and none are on welfare olddad65 Feb 2020 #20
I think marriage is going the way of the dinosaurs anyway. A lot of twenty somethings I know yaesu Feb 2020 #21
Sex perverts hiding behind religion to rape kids Submariner Feb 2020 #22
I'll be shocked if they pull this off... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #23
It was only a matter of time. "Consenting adults" and all that. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #24
Goes both ways? A woman can have multiple husbands too? Only Fair IADEMO2004 Feb 2020 #26
will other states be expected to honor these marriages? 0rganism Feb 2020 #27
Wasn't the abolition of polygamy a condition of statehood? JDC Feb 2020 #28
The one is more than enough for me. Marcuse Feb 2020 #29
I dare them to I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2020 #30
could lead to interesting tax and estate planning challenges nt TreadSoftly Feb 2020 #31
If God is on your side you can do anything eom MAMMAG8R Feb 2020 #32
Will that include forced marriages with underage girls? Nitram Feb 2020 #33
Frankly I've never really thought it should be illegal as long as everyone's 18 or over myself nt mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #34
Sounds like an excellent way to incubate abuses....Mr. Patriarch at the top. Patriarchy isn't Karadeniz Feb 2020 #35
Can someone explain something to me? jgmiller Feb 2020 #36
Goose and Gander? orangecrush Feb 2020 #37
The great, but sort of forgotten TV show Picket Fences did an episode on this some 25 years ago RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #39
Hard to get much more "traditional marriage" than that Recursion Feb 2020 #40

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. I lived in Utah
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020

for six months in 2005, and the Mormons I encountered there were very careful to distinguish the polygamists from themselves. I'm surprised they would move to do this. A lot of them had been on mission trips where they had to counter the idea that the LDS Church was still polygamous, and they were sick of the notion that they were seen that way by so many non-Mormons.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
2. Great. Only the way they practice it out there, it is usually not among consenting adults.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:49 PM
Feb 2020

It's usually an adult male - sometimes in his forties or fifties - with an underage girl who has no choice in the matter.

And there are the tapes that prove it.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
17. Even if legally,adults there may not be consent.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:42 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think many of those women get to say whether they actually want to be in that situation.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

TomSlick

(11,108 posts)
25. Well, sorta.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:54 PM
Feb 2020

The Enabling Act that allowed for Utah's admission to the union contained a requirement that the State Constitution provide:

"That perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured, and that no inhabitant of said State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; Provided, That polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited."

As required, the Utah Constitution provides: "Perfect toleration of religious sentiment is guaranteed. No inhabitant of this State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; but polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited."

Bigamy (the term used in the Utah statutes) is still "prohibited" under the Senate bill, it's just reduced from an felony to an "infraction" - you know, like jay-walking.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
4. Ah....those pressing needs are being met in Utah
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:52 PM
Feb 2020

Yup....that's not a waste of time. Great idea. Get all those unmarried women hooked up to share some "provider" to take care of them in those cold winters.

Romney country.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
6. Didn't they oppose gay marriage on the grounds that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:13 PM
Feb 2020

Or did Utah GrOPers happen assiduously to avoid that particular argument? I kind of doubt it.

Warpy

(111,329 posts)
7. Good move
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:17 PM
Feb 2020

It might start to break down that wall of secrecy they live behind, homeschooling the kids more out of fear of discovery than religious control and associating only with other polygamous families.

I knew a non Mormon polygamous family many years ago. It ended badly, the lord and master got booted out and the women kept living together because that part of the arrangement had been good for them.

Still, having that wall of secrecy torn down to the point that women will know that speaking out if some old goat wants to take an 11 year old girl as his fifteenth wife will not destroy their own families will help a great deal.

Forcing everybody into a one size fits all lifestyle causes a lot more harm than allowing alternatives out in the sunshine.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
8. I have no problem with polygamy...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:22 PM
Feb 2020

... since I myself lived in such a small harem when I was young. We were on social security for some time, and I was put in the official papers here in Denmark as head of the house. No official marriage though.

What I do not like is people being forced into marriages, also just as couples.

But do not let any social customs, silly church ideas or laws stop people from being joined together in holy what ever they like and love, as long it is done freely and with no pressure for doing it!

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
11. Of course! Mormon men are like trRUMP; they like to grab them some pussy and more is better.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

Now are Mormon women going to be allowed to have multiple husbands? asking for a friend...

2naSalit

(86,765 posts)
16. Probably not.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:31 PM
Feb 2020

It's hard to catch up with over population when you can only have one breeder at a time.

keithbvadu2

(36,876 posts)
15. Which spouse is the official/legal spouse?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:28 PM
Feb 2020

Which spouse is the official/legal spouse?

After all, polygamy would still be a crime.

catrose

(5,071 posts)
18. I want to see what they think of a woman with two (or more) husbands.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:25 PM
Feb 2020

All above the age of consent, of course.

jmbar2

(4,904 posts)
19. I eagerly await the response from the rest of the "one-man-one-woman" Religious Right
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

Expecting crickets...

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
38. Well I certainly can't speak for all of them
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:32 PM
Feb 2020

but the Independent, fundamentalist baptist church I grew up in considered Mormons one step below catholics. None of them right with the lord and all destined for a burning hell. So I expect they'll proclaim loudly from those pulpits how evil this is while secretly wishing they could get in on it.

olddad65

(599 posts)
20. If they can all be married legally, and none are on welfare
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:46 PM
Feb 2020

It might cost the taxpayers less, but what about the sexually abused young women?

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
21. I think marriage is going the way of the dinosaurs anyway. A lot of twenty somethings I know
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:52 PM
Feb 2020

not only aren't interested in tying the knot but are into open relationships, more than one partner.

Submariner

(12,506 posts)
22. Sex perverts hiding behind religion to rape kids
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:53 PM
Feb 2020

Those mormons weren't going to let the perverts at the roman catholic church of child rape have all that rapey fun with kids for themselves.

If the mormon women have half a brain they will grab their kids and run away from these creepy LDS elders making rape great again in trump country.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
23. I'll be shocked if they pull this off...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:02 PM
Feb 2020

“The Church” as LDS members call it, has worked to separate itself from the FLDS and other kook splinter groups that claim the true lineage back to old Joe Smith. So this is about power as much as anything. Now my great grandfather who spent three years in the state pen would have been thrilled. He could have kept all four of his wives... crazy.

I wonder how Mittens feels about this?

0rganism

(23,965 posts)
27. will other states be expected to honor these marriages?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:06 PM
Feb 2020

i would think so, along with the corresponding complications to child custody and inheritance laws.

JDC

(10,130 posts)
28. Wasn't the abolition of polygamy a condition of statehood?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:22 PM
Feb 2020

This is really an over the top move in the age of anything goes Trumpism.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
30. I dare them to
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

Legalize polyandry. Cause if the men want harems,the women should have the right to have them also.

Karadeniz

(22,564 posts)
35. Sounds like an excellent way to incubate abuses....Mr. Patriarch at the top. Patriarchy isn't
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:45 AM
Feb 2020

Famous for its tolerance or striving for social equality. This is not good. Is membership down?

jgmiller

(395 posts)
36. Can someone explain something to me?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:27 PM
Feb 2020

I've always been very confused by this whole thing. If marrying multiple people in the civil is illegal why do it?

There's no law against having multiple "wives" if you want there's not even anything illegal about a minister performing the ceremony (the church position is different) so why go to the court house, get a license and sign it and therefore admit to a crime?

If your theory is that God allows polygamy then why do you care about the secular license that is just going to land you in jail?

Of course everything I said assumes consenting adults.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
39. The great, but sort of forgotten TV show Picket Fences did an episode on this some 25 years ago
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:55 AM
Feb 2020

The daughter on the show believed her best friend was engaging in incest with her father as she was pregnant and couldn't explain who her secret boyfriend was. So sheriff's daughter files a complaint, leading to her father, played by Tom Skerritt to arrest the guy. The big reveal comes in the courtroom when it turns out the girl is a bit older than she let on and is engaged in polygamy with the man and woman posing as her parents.

The judge (played by the legendary Ray Walston) basically says the rules of marriage are changing and saying he doesn't want the test case while talking about common law marriage. Well, they were ahead of their time, that show.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. Hard to get much more "traditional marriage" than that
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:53 PM
Feb 2020

I'd love to see the Bible-thumpers try to go against that...

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