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Omaha Steve

(99,708 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:31 PM Feb 2020

ICE rejects California law, arrests people at courthouse

Source: AP

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ and JULIET WILLIAMS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — U.S. immigration agents arrestedtwopeople at a Northern California courthouse, including a man detained in a hallway on his way to a hearing,floutinga new state law requiring a judicial warrant to make immigration arrests inside such facilities.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents made the arrests Tuesday at Sonoma County Superior Court, prompting an outcry from criminal justice and court officials who said the action undermines local authority and deters immigrants who are in the country illegally from participating in the U.S. justice system.

ICE said California’s law doesn’t supersede federal law and “will not govern the conduct of federal officers acting pursuant to duly-enacted laws passed by Congress that provide the authority to make administrative arrests of removable aliens inside the United States.”

“Our officers will not have their hands tied by sanctuary rules when enforcing immigration laws to remove criminal aliens from our communities,” David Jennings, ICE’s field office director in San Francisco, said in the statement.

Read more: https://apnews.com/56303dd4fea7b23d9375c1400d997364

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ICE rejects California law, arrests people at courthouse (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2020 OP
States and local city/county governments cannot pass laws limiting the power of federal agents madville Feb 2020 #1
Exactly. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2020 #3
Pretty basic idea. TomSlick Feb 2020 #5
Absolutely correct. dware Feb 2020 #6
That said, imo, we must confront federal bullies not simply bow down and mumble Magoo48 Feb 2020 #30
That said, tell us how without breaking the law? dware Feb 2020 #36
Just like the Feds cannot dictate to the states that the state assist in helping it enforce federal cstanleytech Feb 2020 #2
ICE people have to pass thru a screening to enter kiri Feb 2020 #7
Ummm, no they don't. dware Feb 2020 #8
ICE do not get automatic entry kiri Feb 2020 #12
That's not the norm, that's an anomaly. dware Feb 2020 #13
That's how I understand it. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #15
You're right, it isn't good at all, dware Feb 2020 #16
Indeed... 2naSalit Feb 2020 #19
Federal warrant Throck Feb 2020 #27
K&R for more visibility. (nt) scarletwoman Feb 2020 #4
Trump is flexing his new powers, thanks to the Republican sycophants in the Senate. C Moon Feb 2020 #9
"...they will be policing" period. BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #10
Except when Republicans claim States Rights to overrule Federal Laws. rickford66 Feb 2020 #11
They arrested "a man detained in a hallway on his way to a hearing" sakabatou Feb 2020 #14
He was wanted Federally, dware Feb 2020 #17
And then you'll be fined for not showing up at the hearing, right? sakabatou Feb 2020 #20
That's late stage capitalism for you ck4829 Feb 2020 #23
Capitalism or tyrannical government? Throck Feb 2020 #28
A little bit from Column A, a little bit from Column B ck4829 Feb 2020 #34
He probably won't have to pay it if he is deported Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #38
Just have to decide who you're more afraid of. christx30 Feb 2020 #41
Should start arresting some ICE agents ck4829 Feb 2020 #18
Federal laws supersede state and local laws. ManiacJoe Feb 2020 #21
"but it was all legal"... like so many other horrible things in history ck4829 Feb 2020 #22
For???? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #32
Arrest them for what? dware Feb 2020 #37
Do people still think ICE does not need to be abolished DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #24
OH, so federal law is supreme when Trump says so and not when he does not wish it so... NotHardly Feb 2020 #25
What?? What does any of that mean? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #33
...... dware Feb 2020 #35
K and R dewsgirl Feb 2020 #26
The SS on the march. sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #29
Brown Shirts wkdjr Feb 2020 #31
Not Brownshirts MurrayDelph Feb 2020 #40
Bad title for the AP article discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2020 #39

madville

(7,412 posts)
1. States and local city/county governments cannot pass laws limiting the power of federal agents
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:39 PM
Feb 2020

Doesn't matter if it's immigration, guns, drugs, etc.

dware

(12,429 posts)
6. Absolutely correct.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 PM
Feb 2020

And if any local, county or state official interferes, they can be arrested and federally prosecuted.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
30. That said, imo, we must confront federal bullies not simply bow down and mumble
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:50 AM
Feb 2020

some chickenshit about federal laws which are used as cudgels against us. Fuck that shit. California must resist in every way we can the eruption of dung flowing out of DC.

dware

(12,429 posts)
36. That said, tell us how without breaking the law?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:25 AM
Feb 2020

ICE agents have every right to arrest wanted immigrants, no matter where they are, whether in a state, city or county building.

Any local interfering with a lawful arrest will find themselves being arrested themselves and federally prosecuted.

It sucks, but it's just the way it is.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
2. Just like the Feds cannot dictate to the states that the state assist in helping it enforce federal
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:43 PM
Feb 2020

immigration laws the state cannot block the federal government from enforcing federal law.

kiri

(796 posts)
7. ICE people have to pass thru a screening to enter
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:19 AM
Feb 2020

ICE people have to pass thru a screening to enter, like all others. It is in the authority of local authorities to require that they remove all weapons, badges, etc. and then to display their identities to be checked.

This could take an hour or more; meanwhile they are detained.

dware

(12,429 posts)
8. Ummm, no they don't.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:36 AM
Feb 2020

All they have to do is show their ID and they can go around the detectors.

It happens all the time.

kiri

(796 posts)
12. ICE do not get automatic entry
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:04 AM
Feb 2020

This is a privilege given, but not in any laws. Or any authority that ICE commands.

Here in Worcester I saw 2 ICE guys--one sort of in plain clothes, the other in camouflage regalia--asked to stand aside while others went through the detector machines at the courthouse.

They were prevented from entering until they displayed their weapons. It took about 40 minutes!

With a little tweaking, it could take 2 hours.

dware

(12,429 posts)
13. That's not the norm, that's an anomaly.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:08 AM
Feb 2020

The vast majority of LEO's will give professional courtesy to other LEO's, whether Federal, State or Local.

I know this because much of my family were in Law Enforcement.

dware

(12,429 posts)
16. You're right, it isn't good at all,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:19 AM
Feb 2020

but it's just the way it is.

Also, if an ICE agent saw an undocumented worker that was wanted in a state courthouse, you can bet the farm that the local LEO's aren't going to prevent them from making an arrest, if they did interfere, they would be arrested for obstructing a Federal Agent in the lawful performance of their duties and would probably be Federally prosecuted in Federal Court.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
27. Federal warrant
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:54 AM
Feb 2020

Just a piece of paper, like a search warrant that cancels all your rights on the spot.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
9. Trump is flexing his new powers, thanks to the Republican sycophants in the Senate.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:11 AM
Feb 2020

Boston last week, California this week.
I can't help but think they will be policing polls by November.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
11. Except when Republicans claim States Rights to overrule Federal Laws.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:21 AM
Feb 2020

If a Dem wins, that's what will happen.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. Just have to decide who you're more afraid of.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:39 AM
Feb 2020

The state or city government, who will issue the fine, or issue a warrant for failure to appear, or the federal government, who will arrest you and kick you out of the country.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
21. Federal laws supersede state and local laws.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:39 AM
Feb 2020

There are smarter ways to do what they did, but it was all legal.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
25. OH, so federal law is supreme when Trump says so and not when he does not wish it so...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 05:44 AM
Feb 2020
Note to California or other sanctuary states/cities:


1) Vote Republicans out until 2099.

2) Stop all persons who do not have immediate, direct, or specific purposes for coming inside of a court house... you'all have cameras, metal detectors, and additional security measures... use them vigorously, smile, walk them through all that stuff and more...for security, 'cause after all armed persons have killed city, county, state and federal level personnel before. Refuse their entrance unless and until they meet your level of security is assured.. e.g. no guns, no shields, no absolutely no jackboots.

3) Every time and in every situation where a 'jackboot' acts should be filmed with speakers/recorders on and pixels high... complete, steady, unwavering, and full.
 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
33. What?? What does any of that mean?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:20 PM
Feb 2020

That hurt my head.....Federal LEO's have a reason to be were their wanted people are.

wkdjr

(5 posts)
31. Brown Shirts
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:23 AM
Feb 2020

Pay attention Trumpers are not shy, this is them forming Trump's Brown Shirts ignore them at personal peril.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
39. Bad title for the AP article
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

California SB54 "...prevents state and local law enforcement agencies from using their resources on behalf of federal immigration enforcement agencies." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_54

Nothing a state can really do to stop ICE from doing their own work but they can refuse to in state cooperation.

The AP title implies that feds are somehow bound by state laws and that ICE overstepped.

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