been shot.

... based off a European series called "Cordon", was largely not just about the horrific disease/how it happened/gross medical special effects (though all those checkboxes are there for any outbreak-theme movie), but more about what actually would happen if people were cut off from the outside and told to stay inside themselves, hoping the virus would "burn itself out".

Perhaps if it hadn't been as deadly as shown in the premise of the series it wouldn't have been *as* bad, but most of the chaos was caused by humans being awful to each other, not really the virus itself. At least, long before anybody shown on screen besides the gory bodies shown for shock value actually seemed to have it, it was...

And that was only supposed to be a few city blocks. It talked a lot about supply chains, how grocery stores really just don't have two weeks of food. Panic buying, etc.

and could care less about your human rights. USA has a very different culture and system of government. So if we use our military to enforce a mass quarantine, it might get violent. Many Americans are heavily armed and mentally unstable.

this morning.

Those thousands were trying to flee, but not escape the quarantine. They were trying to get home.

The effect might feel the same, but it wasn't out of irresponsibility - they wanted to get home because that's where you want to quarantine yourself. In your own home.

I just tried to google "npr italy" and such to try to figure out if they had anything more recent or a direct refutation of BI's sourcing, didn't find it but also don't have time to listen to a radio interview right now which was all I saw from 4 hours ago, no transcript showing yet.

If it's in this though I get where you might have heard it, will listen later

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/09/813577453/a-quarter-of-italys-population-is-in-quarantine-because-of-coronavirus

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or fleeing. Because the end results is people in large numbers leaving the infected area and going to another area, and likely bringing the virus there.

but it's important to understand why it happened (in case we or they have to take similar measures)

The people who were trying to flee actually live in northern Italy, in Lombardy many of them. However, they are from the south, the southern part of Italy (typically south of Rome, Naples and south). So, how do they live in Lombardy, but they're from the South? Basically, the northern industrial areas (esp. in Lombardy, Piedmont, and Veneto) import workers and their families from the south of Italy.

So, when the guy on NPR says they were going home, he meant that they were returning to their "homes" in the south of Italy, not to their actual homes where thy live, which are probably houses and apartments in the north. It's more akin to Mexican immigrants who work and live in California or Texas going "home" to Mexico. (That's also, incidentally, how many southern workers are treated in Lombardy, and you could hear some thinly concealed contempt in the northern journalist's description of their actions, and especially his praise of the health system in Lombardy as opposed to the health system in the south).

ok

that my family in eastern, central Italy is now in fear over these people escaping the quarantine, thus bringing the virus into regions that have yet to see exposure. Regardless of trying to get home, they're putting their nation in jeopardy by fleeing. My family's village in Molise is in the poorest region of Italy. Healthcare is sparse and not great. Once this virus hits certain parts of the county, things will get much, much worse.

Same actions, but it doesn't say "you're afraid of being in quarantine" just "you're unwilling to stay put because home's a-beckoning."

Same toll in misery and death. Meaning same irresponsibility.

things will be better by early June? We have a flight to Rome then for a wedding. So far we are being told it will be okay. Folks traveling with us are over 60. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned.

You're not going to Italy in June.