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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,200 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:06 PM Mar 2020

Spiking U.S. coronavirus cases could force rationing decisions similar to those made in Italy, China

Source: Washington Post

In the Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, doctors made life-or-death decisions last month when 1,000 people needed ventilators to support their breathing, but only 600 were available.

In Iran, where numerous high-level officials have been infected, doctors sought unsuccessfully to get the international community to lift sanctions so they could purchase more lifesaving machines.

And in northern Italy, doctors took the painful step last week of issuing guidelines for rationing ventilators and other essential medical equipment, prioritizing treatment for the young and others with the best chance of survival.

Such tough choices could well be ahead for the United States, a nation with limited hospital capacity and grim epidemiological projections estimating that as many as 40 to 60 percent of the country’s population of 327 million could eventually become infected.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/spiking-us-coronavirus-cases-could-force-rationing-decisions-similar-to-those-made-in-italy-china/ar-BB11ecfU?li=BBnb7Kz

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Spiking U.S. coronavirus cases could force rationing decisions similar to those made in Italy, China (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 OP
That is so terrifying. 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2020 #1
I was able to do an E-Visit this past week Sherman A1 Mar 2020 #2
Call your doctor(s) tomorrow and ask what you should do as far as your appointments are concerned. hedda_foil Mar 2020 #4
Same boat here CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #5
I called mine and asked for a phone consult WhiteTara Mar 2020 #13
Last weekend a guy in Italy, posted about this on Reddit. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #3
Why do I suspect among the high priorities will be those with $$$$ and or that are well connected? cstanleytech Mar 2020 #6
because that's the way healthcare is in America Skittles Mar 2020 #12
It's triage bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #7
Very impt. info, thanks Yo. appalachiablue Mar 2020 #8
In a way, *ALL* discussions of healthcare are about making such decisions The Mouth Mar 2020 #9
Seriously. We stopped the Iranian government from buying health equipment ... marble falls Mar 2020 #10
Have heard nothing from Dementia Donnie if area51 Mar 2020 #11

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,046 posts)
1. That is so terrifying.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:10 PM
Mar 2020

I'm over 65 and my spouse is over 70. We're staying inside as much as we can but we both have doctor's appointments this week. We're afraid to go and afraid to not go.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. I was able to do an E-Visit this past week
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:20 PM
Mar 2020

regarding some sinus issues and while it was a $20.00 charge. I saved that much in gas, time and discomfort.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
4. Call your doctor(s) tomorrow and ask what you should do as far as your appointments are concerned.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:21 PM
Mar 2020

If they're not essential, you'll probably be told not to reschedule and only your doctor(s) can decide if they're essential or not.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
5. Same boat here
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:30 PM
Mar 2020

I have to go at the end of April, otherwise I'll get cut off!

My husband must have eye surgery every 3 mos. for the rest of his life. He is 83 right now; next surgery at the end of April too! If he lets it go, he could go blind in the solitary eye he still has vision left in!

We do not know what the hell to do!

Are we fucked yet or what?



WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
13. I called mine and asked for a phone consult
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:15 AM
Mar 2020

if you can't take your own vitals, I guess Drs offices (hotbeds of disease) would make sense. Call and ask if you can take care of it long distance. Good luck. We live in the middle of nowhere so, it's a normal thing to self-isolate.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. Last weekend a guy in Italy, posted about this on Reddit.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:21 PM
Mar 2020

A site I have rarely used until now.
If I can't verify it, I usually take it with a grain of salt.
It took my breath away to read about the policy they were considering at the time.

bucolic_frolic

(43,289 posts)
7. It's triage
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:53 PM
Mar 2020

There are no perfect choices, sometimes not even good ones, but they do the best they can with the guidelines and rules they establish beforehand. If they could do it perfectly they would be God himself.

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
9. In a way, *ALL* discussions of healthcare are about making such decisions
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020

-There has always been a greater need for healthcare than the amount available
-THEREFORE, some mechanism will decide.
-There really are only three options:
1. A government official or hospital administrator decides
2. An insurance company adjuster decides
3. The 'free market' decides.

If there's one heart available for transplant, and two people needing it, *SOME* sort of decision will be made. Maybe it's a 93-year-old woman with 6 months most left to live vs a 7-year-old kid, maybe it's a millionaire vs homeless person, maybe it's a Magat vs a Social Worker... in every case, some form of rationing is going to happen, cold hard fact.

Health care, even in the most advance countries, still has to assign resources that are less than demand. When there is less of something than is needed, some way of assigning stuff goes on.

marble falls

(57,223 posts)
10. Seriously. We stopped the Iranian government from buying health equipment ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:09 PM
Mar 2020

what happened, didn't Trump or Jared git in on any of the projected contracts.

Every time they do something that discourages me, they do something else that just fires me back up.

area51

(11,920 posts)
11. Have heard nothing from Dementia Donnie if
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:13 PM
Mar 2020

there's any way we can ramp up production of ventilators. I know, there has to be enough trained medical personnel to use them, also.

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