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swag

(26,490 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:43 AM Apr 2020

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

Source: Bloomberg

By Nick Wadhams and Jennifer Jacobs
April 1, 2020, 8:15 AM PDT

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret and declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.

The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.

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China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says (Original Post) swag Apr 2020 OP
Our Intelligance was THAT bad? bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #1
Because Trump Fired The US CDC Liason to China TomCADem Apr 2020 #28
Oh, so NOW.......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #2
Perhaps Trump shouldn't have said this swag Apr 2020 #3
Like Covid Donnie thought up withholding numbers himself. forgotmylogin Apr 2020 #4
Exactly FML DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #19
Scapegoating. Regardless, the tRump regime didn't send a team over there, like Obama would have ffr Apr 2020 #5
Ditto! SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #9
It's even worse not fooled Apr 2020 #10
trumpanzee regime didn't ship them catsudon Apr 2020 #15
Yea we know, Mike Pompeo has been pushing that crap for a month now. Under The Radar Apr 2020 #6
Pompeo has not credibility whatsoever... rickyhall Apr 2020 #8
Oh bullshit llashram Apr 2020 #7
Yes, opposed to lies just for fun and profit ArizonaLib Apr 2020 #12
Fortunately we have a Twitter trail of evidence... EarthFirst Apr 2020 #11
Obama never would have based his actions Solly Mack Apr 2020 #13
I want to hear what a reputable country has to say about it defacto7 Apr 2020 #14
look no further than Taiwan catsudon Apr 2020 #17
dont worry catsudon Apr 2020 #16
Duh agalisgv Apr 2020 #18
what are the estimates of the true numbers Blues Heron Apr 2020 #20
I find this bit of data interesting MosheFeingold Apr 2020 #29
That is terrible. gembaby1 Apr 2020 #21
If it was a natural zoonotic infection, why lie about the numbers? roamer65 Apr 2020 #22
Pride. Igel Apr 2020 #24
What difference do the numbers in China really make today? sinkingfeeling Apr 2020 #23
Have you seen anybody saying, "Why can't we do as good a job as China did?" posts? Igel Apr 2020 #25
So? We have a global battle to fight. Who lied about the number sinkingfeeling Apr 2020 #27
so it is safe now to open border with china catsudon Apr 2020 #32
No one said a word about opening borders? People are sinkingfeeling Apr 2020 #39
oh catsudon Apr 2020 #40
i agree with you catsudon Apr 2020 #37
Pathetically and desperately in search of a scapegoat C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #26
a least he will be gone soon catsudon Apr 2020 #34
So what? gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #30
Exactly. South Korea and the US both had their first confirmed case on Jan. 20. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #31
At this point, I assume that anybody who uses the term "CCP" is a far right troll greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #33
i'm from taiwan catsudon Apr 2020 #35
Good for you greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #36
Well DUH, they always do Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #38

bucolic_frolic

(43,296 posts)
1. Our Intelligance was THAT bad?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:45 AM
Apr 2020

Suprised. Sounds like they admit they didn't have their own independent sources.

MyOwnPeace

(16,938 posts)
2. Oh, so NOW..........
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:45 AM
Apr 2020

this mis-administration wants to listen to US Intelligence? That will last until Uncle Vlad calls IQ45 and tells him what to "really" believe....

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
19. Exactly FML
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 01:03 PM
Apr 2020

All roads are STILL leading to Putin..........Hell, look at Russia who has constantly reported almost no stats on their country.

"Here" Donnie Comrade, "THEEESE ES How EEETZ DUHN".... First, you don't test or drag your feet on testing. If you don't test, you don't have test results, if you don't have test resells, there is no problem.


Next Donnie Comrade, get out on some stage/podium and don't stop repeating: NO PROBLEM NO PROBLEM NO PROBLEM.
When caught, throw out several claims to the listeners, telling them it wasn't your fault and blaming who really caused the problem.
See which one sticks, and then concentrate on running with that as the truth......yelling it from the rooftops.
You could tell the people it was Hillary, Obama, Democrats, etc etc etc HELL, it could even be the Health Workers walking out the hospital's back door in a BLUE STATE HOSPITAL with all the ton's of supplies and selling them on the black market or ebay.......

ffr

(22,672 posts)
5. Scapegoating. Regardless, the tRump regime didn't send a team over there, like Obama would have
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:51 AM
Apr 2020

Nor does it explain why the tRump regime was shipping tons of American PPE out of the country in February and March.

The tRump regime is willfully incompetent, including Moscow Mitch McConnell, if not just pure evil.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
10. It's even worse
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:10 PM
Apr 2020

under Obama, there was a CDC expert already IN PLACE in China, on a continuous basis, because of course it was only a matter of time until another potential pandemic surfaced. The orange turd recalled him/her and closed the position.

[link:https://www.businessinsider.com/us-cdc-cut-health-expert-job-china-months-before-coronavirus-2020-3?op=1|

The Trump administration cut a CDC position in China meant to detect disease outbreaks months before the coronavirus pandemic

Until July 2019, the United States had a resident health adviser in China that consulted with Chinese health officials. That position was scrapped, Reuters reported, amid a chill in US-Chinese relations.
"It was heartbreaking to watch," said one expert.
Several US health experts told Reuters that the US could have gotten an early jump on the new coronavirus outbreak if the role still existed.

President Donald Trump's administration slashed a public-health position in China last year that could have helped US authorities spot the novel coronavirus outbreak before it spread across the globe, according to Reuters.


Dr. Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was a resident adviser to Chinese health officials through July 2019, when she left the role upon learning it would be discontinued in September, according to four sources who spoke to Reuters.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
6. Yea we know, Mike Pompeo has been pushing that crap for a month now.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:52 AM
Apr 2020

Even if it is true, It is the state departments attempt to place blame on someone to deflect attention from Trumps mistakes.
Trump blames the worlds problems on a Obama just because “it happened on his watch” despite having any influence or not.

I remember the news story the 1st part of January and Trump did nothing for a month. ....and it was on his watch.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
7. Oh bullshit
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

from now until Election Day, IT WILL be CYA lies like this. I will believe nothing from this administration or its fool of an imPOTUS.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
12. Yes, opposed to lies just for fun and profit
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:15 PM
Apr 2020

His somber tone this week was not out of reverence but out of fear. His pucker factor hit a new PSI level and his only plan is to make money and lower public expectations. There should have been very few deaths. Riding in with ventilators after 10's of thousands have died is like Custer sending a message to Sitting Bull that he was here to save Native American women and children. What an evil slob.

EarthFirst

(2,905 posts)
11. Fortunately we have a Twitter trail of evidence...
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:11 PM
Apr 2020

Whereas the United States was engaging in a coverup of their own acknowledgement & failure to respond accordingly.

Something something about those who live in glass houses...

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
13. Obama never would have based his actions
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:20 PM
Apr 2020

on the numbers coming out of China or Russia or certain other countries because he would know to assume those countries would lie about their numbers.

Lying is part and parcel to authoritarian regimes.

Only idiots - and/or other authoritarian-minded leaders - would think to praise the leaders of those countries and point to their numbers as a basis for how to plan for a pandemic.

The difference between an actual stable genius and an insecure, lying piece of shit.

Anyone with half of brain would have assumed China wasn't being honest.

But by pretending no one could have possibly known that - it makes it easier to blame others for your own stupidity and inaction. Your own incompetence.

But, but...China. They said...so, uh....it's not my fault. I don't take any responsibility.

Anyone think Angela Merkel trusted China's numbers?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
14. I want to hear what a reputable country has to say about it
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:29 PM
Apr 2020

before I take anything from the US as fact.

catsudon

(855 posts)
16. dont worry
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

even if trump trusted xi jing ping at first, other countries like UK, France, Italy are getting furious with CCP, the bill will come due soon for ccp, as us asian call it "秋後算帳"

lit. settling accounts after the autumn harvest (idiom);
wait until the time is ripe to settle accounts
bide time for revenge

gembaby1

(253 posts)
21. That is terrible.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 01:30 PM
Apr 2020

And it’s also terrible what Donald Trump did to his own people in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak by only thinking of his electability. He pretended the problem was much smaller than it was and lost precious time to combat this virus. He only thought about what was good for the economy and therefore himself and put the lives of his people at risk.

Well there’s your tit for tat response. Yep, various governments have fucked up on purpose. Everyone happy now? This isn’t going to get any of us anywhere right now. Perhaps the Administration should concentrate on catching up due to their lack of response instead of playing the blame game. That could come back on them and bite them in the ass.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
22. If it was a natural zoonotic infection, why lie about the numbers?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 01:33 PM
Apr 2020

Makes me believe even more this was an accidental breach at the Wuhan virology facility.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
24. Pride.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 02:17 PM
Apr 2020

Honor. "Face". Whatever the term.

People can be embarrassed by things that they can't control, and when it goes to something like "wet markets" it's even worse.

Word is that the Wuhan "fresh meat" markets are already up and running. Get your tasty bad and pangolin.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
25. Have you seen anybody saying, "Why can't we do as good a job as China did?" posts?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 02:19 PM
Apr 2020

If China could get to suppression, quickly, if they could keep the death count down, what's wrong with us?

There's an answer, but the same answer has to apply to France and Italy, and that's a tough one.

sinkingfeeling

(51,474 posts)
27. So? We have a global battle to fight. Who lied about the number
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 02:25 PM
Apr 2020

of positive tests does not matter. What matters is cooperation in the care of human beings and finding a solution.

catsudon

(855 posts)
32. so it is safe now to open border with china
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:49 PM
Apr 2020

and let them come?

even chinese people from other province do not want any people from Huebei in

lying to the world is not cooperation, look at other countries in EU, they are all starting to point their fingers

sinkingfeeling

(51,474 posts)
39. No one said a word about opening borders? People are
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:55 PM
Apr 2020

bitching about water over the dam. MF45 is still looking for scapegoats.

catsudon

(855 posts)
37. i agree with you
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:44 PM
Apr 2020

The models that suggest the action to take are based on figures released. You have to understand that the lies told by China about the severity of the situation are what caused the actions (or rather, inaction) to occur.

It has been a cover up, but not by the West. There's a reason Europe's models are based on Spain and Italy and not on what China did. It's because they're far more accurate.

Don't blame the firefighters trying to put the fire out - blame the arsonist that set fire to the block. What you are mistaking for a cover up by The West is all of that glorious Chinese communist party propaganda paying off to let them get away with it. (this applies to EU)

I do blame donald trumpanzee because he had time to see what was going on in spain and italy

catsudon

(855 posts)
34. a least he will be gone soon
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:32 PM
Apr 2020

I have no problem believing the Chinese government lied and also believing that the American government totally shit the bed in their recognition/preparation - it doesn't have to be one or the other because facts seem to dictate that it's both.

SunSeeker

(51,715 posts)
31. Exactly. South Korea and the US both had their first confirmed case on Jan. 20.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:08 PM
Apr 2020

South Korea got their outbreak under control, and without destroying their economy.

Why couldn't we?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
33. At this point, I assume that anybody who uses the term "CCP" is a far right troll
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:53 PM
Apr 2020

It's as much a tell as "Democrat Party" when it comes to these discussions.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
38. Well DUH, they always do
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:54 PM
Apr 2020

But that;s why we have intelligence agencies and quite frankly, China locked down an entire city/region and Trump stood around with his thumb up his ass for a couple more months.

The epidemiologists knew what was coming and you can be damn sure they were sounding the alarm while the politicians ignored them. When art becomes life....

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