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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:08 AM Sep 2012

Netanyahu to set "clear red line" for Iran in U.N. speech

Source: Reuters

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will set out, in his speech at the United Nations on Thursday, an ultimatum for Iran to halt its disputed nuclear drive or risk coming under military attack, an Israeli official said.

Netanyahu faces the world body after U.S. President Barack Obama disappointed some Israelis, in his own address to the annual assembly, by not calling for a deadline to be imposed on Tehran - though he did say time for diplomacy "is not unlimited".

<snip>

"The prime minister will set a clear red line in his speech that will not contradict Obama's remarks. Obama said Iran won't have nuclear weapons. The prime minister will clarify the way in which Iran won't have nuclear arms," a senior Israeli official said en route to New York, without elaborating.

<snip>

Speaking on Israel Radio, Ayalon said the Netanyahu government and Obama administration were in discreet contacts and approaching agreement on setting limits for Iran.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-un-assembly-israel-iran-idUSBRE88Q0GI20120927



In 2003, MIT wrote in it's report "The Future of Nuclear Power":
To preserve the nuclear option for the future requires overcoming the four
challenges described above—costs, safety, proliferation, and wastes. These
challenges will escalate if a significant number of new nuclear generating
plants are built in a growing number of countries. The effort to overcome
these challenges, however, is justified only if nuclear power can potentially
contribute significantly to reducing global warming, which entails major
expansion of nuclear power.


It's now clear that NONE of those four "challenges" have been overcome,
and it's unlikely they ever will.

It's also clear that there won't be a major expansion of nuclear power,
primarily because of cost.

There's no reason for preserving nuclear power as an option for the future.




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Netanyahu to set "clear red line" for Iran in U.N. speech (Original Post) bananas Sep 2012 OP
So the leader of a nuclear weapons possessing, aggressive war-mongering Apartheid state cpwm17 Sep 2012 #1
Excellent! ronnie624 Sep 2012 #5
Iran is not in compliance with the NPT. bananas Sep 2012 #8
Is Israel in compliance with UN regulations? Last I heard Israel apparently ignores sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #12
Israel is not signatory to the NPT, and had a policy of "ambiguity" about its nukes. bemildred Sep 2012 #14
Thank you. I think it is way past time to get every country to sign the NPT. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #18
I agree...and quite sure many others feel the same way. Deuce Sep 2012 #28
My thoughts exactly.. movonne Sep 2012 #16
Neither will blowing up Iranians. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #26
Iran’s Nuclear Program: Tehran’s Compliance with International Obligations ronnie624 Sep 2012 #34
Thank you. Ash_F Sep 2012 #36
No, there are UN sanctions because the US dominates the UN Security Council cpwm17 Sep 2012 #35
Time for Bibi to cover his butt, is it? nt bemildred Sep 2012 #2
Anyone know what time this pos is to bloviate? eom Purveyor Sep 2012 #3
One here to save him the bother. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #4
Evangelicals are looking forward to the end of the world ...thanks to Nuttyahoo. L0oniX Sep 2012 #6
Off topic dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #25
I agree. Especially in the wake of Fukushima and with the memory of Chernobyl in our hearts, JDPriestly Sep 2012 #7
If Iran's leaders weren't supplying the bombs that go off in Israel Kolesar Sep 2012 #9
And if Iraq hadn't had WMDs just 45-minutes away from destroying the UK FiveGoodMen Sep 2012 #11
win frylock Sep 2012 #13
lol dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #20
Uh, he's in Minnesota, dude...eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #22
His / her location dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #24
You forgot the "I'm an off-topic clown" glyph to put on your post...eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #27
You forgot the "I'm an off-topic clown" glyph to put on your post...eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #21
Same message twice in a row? FiveGoodMen Sep 2012 #29
He's on now...NT JohnnyBoots Sep 2012 #10
Similar to JFK's attitude to the Cuban missiles in 1962. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #15
At which time the US had nuclear missiles in Turkey. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #19
And right after US tama Sep 2012 #30
That was comedy at its best. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #31
Power currupts cpwm17 Sep 2012 #40
If Israel attacks Iran, we need to sit on our hands adigal Sep 2012 #17
You have social security numbers for all of those dependents? OnlinePoker Sep 2012 #23
It works unil tax time adigal Sep 2012 #37
That cartoon bomb was kind of ridiculous oberliner Sep 2012 #32
NetanYahoo Needs a Diaper Change, Megahurtz Sep 2012 #33
doesn't this saber-rattling between Iran and Israel happen every U.S. election season? RainDog Sep 2012 #38
No, every US election gets in the way. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #39
 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
1. So the leader of a nuclear weapons possessing, aggressive war-mongering Apartheid state
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:19 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:41 AM - Edit history (2)

that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) is going to go to the UN to call for an unproved war against an NPT compliant state – brilliant! The war mongers are going to be excited.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
8. Iran is not in compliance with the NPT.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

That's why there are UN sanctions against it - to urge it to come into compliance.
The UN sanctions aren't working.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Is Israel in compliance with UN regulations? Last I heard Israel apparently ignores
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:50 PM
Sep 2012

all the rules they demand other countries abide by.

Sorry, Netanyahu is a liar and a bully and Americans very much resent his interfering in the business of the US and especially with his outrageous attempts to involve our military, our troops in war HE will completely responsible for, not Iran, Netanyahu, if such a disaster happens.

He needs to learn his place, he is not an elected US official. He is NOT president of the US.

We have a president who has made his position clear and which apparently Netanyahu is refusing to respect.

NO War with Iran and if this administration allows itself to be bullied into such a disaster by a nobody as far as the American people are concerned, it will result in a final break-up of the Dem Party to which many people are still barely clinging as the only alternative to the rabid, Netanyahu supporters on the far right.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. Israel is not signatory to the NPT, and had a policy of "ambiguity" about its nukes.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:28 PM
Sep 2012

Last time I checked. Edit: they like having it both ways, as who does not?

Edit: so they (Israel) are not exactly breaking any rules, and neither is Iran; but Iran signed the NPT, and so is obligated not to make nuclear weapons, but is entitled to have nuclear energy as a consequence (according to the NPT.)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Thank you. I think it is way past time to get every country to sign the NPT.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:45 PM
Sep 2012

The problem could be solved by disarming all Nuclear States, NOT by trying to stop one country from having nukes. That does nothing to ensure the safety of the world. Israel is not the only country in the world threatened by Nuclear war.

The issue should be disarming all of them. Either that, or all countries should have nukes, making it less likely that any of them will be willing to use them.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. Neither will blowing up Iranians.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:38 PM
Sep 2012

Frankly approaching Iran - or any nation - as a rabid dog in need of a good whipping isn't going to ever work. Period.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
34. Iran’s Nuclear Program: Tehran’s Compliance with International Obligations
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sep 2012
The IAEA board has neither formally found that any of the Iranian actions described above are in
noncompliance with Tehran’s safeguards agreement, nor referred these issues to the U.N. Security
Council.
The IAEA board adopted a resolution November 27, 2009, that described Iran’s failure
to notify the agency of the Fordow facility as “inconsistent with” the subsidiary arrangements
under Iran’s safeguards agreement, but this statement did not constitute a formal finding of
noncompliance. A September 13, 2012, IAEA board resolution expressed “serious concern” that
Tehran has not complied with the obligations described in IAEA Board of Governors and U.N.
Security Council resolutions, but the September resolution did not contain a formal finding of
noncompliance.


[link:http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R40094.pdf|

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
36. Thank you.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

The sanctions against Iran are mostly military related as well as related to prevention of the weaponization of the nuclear program(no problems with that from me). They are not a declaration that the nuclear program is illegal as it is, or that the NPT is being violated. There would not have been enough signatories otherwise.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
35. No, there are UN sanctions because the US dominates the UN Security Council
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

and the US is one of the two main belligerents in this case – it's the foxes guarding the hen house. The sanctions are a hate crime.

Here's what the results of this hate crime will look like if the bigots get their way:


IRAQ ISN'T ANCIENT HISTORY

The US dominated the UN Security Council against Iraq also. The White House supported the same extreme racist slim back then. The US systematically destroyed in a genocidal manner the Iraqi people from 1990 onward. Iran is next if the same people get their way.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
25. Off topic
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:24 PM
Sep 2012

I'm so used to seeing those bug gismos that earlier when I had a real one same size on my computer screen I thought "fuck me - that's clever"

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. I agree. Especially in the wake of Fukushima and with the memory of Chernobyl in our hearts,
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:57 PM
Sep 2012

we should all agree to stop looking toward nuclear energy as a solution to our problems. It should not even be a part of the solution.

As the plants in the US age, we should shut them down, one by one, and not rebuild them. What to do with the nuclear waste? That we have no answer to that question is one of the reasons we need to shut them down and not build any more.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
9. If Iran's leaders weren't supplying the bombs that go off in Israel
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:25 PM
Sep 2012

Then Netanyahu's party wouldn't express a fear of destruction by Iran by nuclear weapons, too.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
11. And if Iraq hadn't had WMDs just 45-minutes away from destroying the UK
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
Sep 2012

we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. Similar to JFK's attitude to the Cuban missiles in 1962.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sep 2012
The US announced that it would not permit offensive weapons to be delivered to Cuba and demanded that the Soviets dismantle the missile bases already under construction or completed in Cuba and remove all offensive weapons. The Kennedy administration held only a slim hope that the Kremlin would agree to their demands, and expected a military confrontation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis



dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
31. That was comedy at its best.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:39 PM
Sep 2012

After that Cuba took some simple precautions. When I first went there I couldn't figure why there were so many bridges over roads which didn't go anywhere either side. It was later explained to me that they prevent movement of heavy military vehicles by road.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
40. Power currupts
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:35 PM
Sep 2012

Every last president in my lifetime, which started with Dwight Eisenhower, have committed crimes worse than any occupant of any prison in the US.

That's an interesting fact about Cuba.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
17. If Israel attacks Iran, we need to sit on our hands
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Sep 2012

and if we go to war with them, I will declare 10 dependents on my taxes and refuse to pay one cent more in taxes at tax time.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
37. It works unil tax time
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:14 AM
Sep 2012

You can declare up to 10 dependent so you don't pay a lot during the year. And actually, my point is to force the issue publicly.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. That cartoon bomb was kind of ridiculous
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:37 PM
Sep 2012

Much well-deserved ridicule coming his way for that choice, I would imagine.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
38. doesn't this saber-rattling between Iran and Israel happen every U.S. election season?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:29 AM
Sep 2012

for at least the last four prez elections?

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
39. No, every US election gets in the way.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:38 AM
Sep 2012

Seriously though, this has been going on for over ten years, at least. I have a documented list of articles, as well as DU threads, that stretch back to 2002. They seem to happen in March, June, August, Sept/October, and something usually pops up in December.

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