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(47,522 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:07 PM Apr 2020

Coronavirus stimulus checks: Payments to dead relatives should be returned, Mnuchin says

Source: Yahoo Money

Relatives who have received a stimulus payment for a deceased family member must return it to the federal government, according to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

“You’re not supposed to keep that payment,” Mnuchin said in a statement to Yahoo Money. “We’re checking the databases, but there could be a scenario where we missed something, and yes, the heirs should be returning that money.”

To speed up delivery of the stimulus payments, the IRS is relying on information from 2018 tax returns to determine eligibility, which means that some people who passed away since then could be sent a payment.

It’s one of several hiccups that have occurred while distributing the payments, making relatives wonder if it needs to be returned. Mnuchin’s statement didn’t include any details on how Americans should go about returning those payments, however.


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/money/coronavirus-stimulus-checks-payments-to-dead-relatives-should-be-returned-mnuchin-says-152837927.html

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Coronavirus stimulus checks: Payments to dead relatives should be returned, Mnuchin says (Original Post) question everything Apr 2020 OP
That doesn't sound like it has a lot of legal teeth to it bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #1
I just gotta ask a question, what happens if the person was alive when this law passed turbinetree Apr 2020 #2
I'm not a lawyer but since this is supposed to go only to living people I don't think totodeinhere Apr 2020 #10
Dunno. Igel Apr 2020 #19
Precisely my question. My grandmother died 16 days before her check arrived sybylla Apr 2020 #21
I am so sorry for your loss question everything Apr 2020 #22
Thank you for your kind words. sybylla Apr 2020 #30
Please accept my condolences over your loss of your grandmother. totodeinhere Apr 2020 #26
Thanks. sybylla Apr 2020 #31
Not that i disagree but just had a thought bluestarone Apr 2020 #3
Same Lulu KC Apr 2020 #27
More likely scenario: Died from CV, was un/underinsured, family/spouse stuck will bills? flibbitygiblets Apr 2020 #4
Oh hell, let's just call it a death benefit, OK? trof Apr 2020 #5
Did he make his "Ewww" face when he said this? They_Live Apr 2020 #6
Keep it. Aussie105 Apr 2020 #7
The irs will get it one way or the other jimfields33 Apr 2020 #17
Good God! greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #8
If they were alive when the bill passed wouldn't the payment become part of their estate? Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #9
I think that it is supposed to help the living, now, who lost their jobs question everything Apr 2020 #23
I know someone who got $2,400 and her husband died 13 months ago. BigmanPigman Apr 2020 #11
It's dishonest to keep it. roamer65 Apr 2020 #12
Karma Pause Apr 2020 #14
Welcome to DU, Pause question everything Apr 2020 #15
It Is Dishonest RobinA Apr 2020 #28
It's almost like they take pleasure in watching people suffer. Initech Apr 2020 #13
The Billionaire has spoken. All hail the Superbanker. Maine-i-acs Apr 2020 #16
Tell the Muouch to come pry them from those cold dead hands. NotHardly Apr 2020 #18
Fucking gouls! Nitram Apr 2020 #20
this might be a dicey situation orleans Apr 2020 #24
What a horror story. Moral of it - always get a return receipt via the postal service question everything Apr 2020 #29
i was younger then--so i probably didn't. orleans Apr 2020 #32
Looking beyond the legal aspect, since the administration's abysmal handling of this disease Karadeniz Apr 2020 #25

turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
2. I just gotta ask a question, what happens if the person was alive when this law passed
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:16 PM
Apr 2020

and they put in there will that this stimulus will be willed to the heirs.............

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
10. I'm not a lawyer but since this is supposed to go only to living people I don't think
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:55 PM
Apr 2020

you could will the money to anyone else since if you die you are not legally eligible to receive the money in the first place.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
19. Dunno.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 08:05 PM
Apr 2020

There'd be a last filing for the deceased, and the tax code will have to have a specific date for disbursement.

sybylla

(8,526 posts)
21. Precisely my question. My grandmother died 16 days before her check arrived
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:38 PM
Apr 2020

Twelve days before the date of the check.

It wasn't obvious it was her stimulus check. It didn't say anything on the outside of the envelope except USTreasury, which could have been her tax refund. But after we opened it, we saw on the front a box. If the person is deceased, you are supposed to check the box and drop the check, envelope and all back into the mailbox. I assume it will get returned to the USTreasury.

We are sending it back, but this is the equivalent of ripping out stitches. She was poor. Her final medical expenses will probably outstrip what's left of her last SS check. There are businesses out there who will have to swallow the debt instead. For 16 days.

question everything

(47,522 posts)
22. I am so sorry for your loss
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:47 PM
Apr 2020

Yes, on the one hand it is supposed to help the living on the other hand, yes, when so many get millions.


sybylla

(8,526 posts)
30. Thank you for your kind words.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020

I know she would want that money to go to needier people than her. But what are the chances that will happen?

sybylla

(8,526 posts)
31. Thanks.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:47 PM
Apr 2020

She was 94yo. She was blessed with a long, healthy life. And I was blessed to have her with me for so long.

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
3. Not that i disagree but just had a thought
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:19 PM
Apr 2020

These ASSHOLES STEAL muti-millions and complain about people getting (returning) thousands!

Lulu KC

(2,572 posts)
27. Same
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 09:42 AM
Apr 2020

I had a knee jerk reaction of "track me down," followed by a string of expletives.
These people are not bringing out the best in me.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
4. More likely scenario: Died from CV, was un/underinsured, family/spouse stuck will bills?
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:23 PM
Apr 2020

Should they still have to return the money, Munchbag?

question everything

(47,522 posts)
23. I think that it is supposed to help the living, now, who lost their jobs
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:51 PM
Apr 2020

Frankly, we are retired, still get our SS checks and withdraw from retirement accounts - until RMD has been suspended. Did not need the money. As soon as we got it half of it went to charity and to my senator campaign. More will go to help others.


BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
11. I know someone who got $2,400 and her husband died 13 months ago.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 07:07 PM
Apr 2020

I told her not to spend the money since I am sure the govt will want it back.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
12. It's dishonest to keep it.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 07:08 PM
Apr 2020

The IRS can put liens against estates and garnish wages to recover it. They can also deduct it from tax refunds.

 

Pause

(31 posts)
14. Karma
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 07:26 PM
Apr 2020





Don't you know that "comes around goes around"





Is the basic rule of cause and effect.




Too hard?

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
28. It Is Dishonest
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:00 PM
Apr 2020

to keep it. However, I charge fees when someone sends me money by mistake and I have to return it. A processing fee, a convenience fee, a re-mailing fee. Before you know it, there's nothing to send back!

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
16. The Billionaire has spoken. All hail the Superbanker.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 07:49 PM
Apr 2020

If you are so wretched to have a family member die, and think that any good should come of it, ye shall have no bread. "Let them eat cake!"

orleans

(34,073 posts)
24. this might be a dicey situation
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:55 AM
Apr 2020

on an unrelated level...
years ago i was on public aid and the courts were collecting the child support payments (when the father got around/felt like making one). those payments from him were kept by the state in order to reimburse the state for the public aid i was getting.

one time the system hiccuped and i got a second public aid check. i called about it and was told to send it back. i sent it back. they ended up fucking me out of a couple payments claiming to have never gotten that hiccup check back from me.

my point? families who get a deceased family member's check might get caught between a rock and a hard place. they might return the check and government claims to have never gotten it and the family ends up paying that money back out of their own pocket.

orleans

(34,073 posts)
32. i was younger then--so i probably didn't.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:16 PM
Apr 2020

years and years later, for my business, i would file the the quarterly reports and always send it with return receipt requested. and there was one time i was being fined by either the state or federal (i forget) for not filing. turns out i had the card they signed and sent back. i remember the guy i had to speak to (several times about this matter) was pissed off that i was sending the form with return receipt requested all the time. LOL. he told me to stop doing that! (i wondered why? so they can say they never got it and try fining me again?)

Karadeniz

(22,564 posts)
25. Looking beyond the legal aspect, since the administration's abysmal handling of this disease
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:43 AM
Apr 2020

Probably contributed to the deaths, I'd let the family keep the money.

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