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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:35 AM Jun 2020

Trump Floats Conspiracy That 75-Year-Old Buffalo Protester Pushed By Police Was 'A Set Up'

Source: Huffington Post

President Donald Trump dangerously suggested with no evidence whatsoever that a 75-year-old protester shoved by police in Buffalo, New York, last week could be “a set up” by “an ANTIFA provocateur.”

“Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment,” the president tweeted Tuesday morning. “I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-buffalo-protester-conspiracy_n_5edf83abc5b645921dbc8401



So, Trump is saying that the 75 year old man was asking for it.

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Trump Floats Conspiracy That 75-Year-Old Buffalo Protester Pushed By Police Was 'A Set Up' (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2020 OP
There is NO BOTTOM with Trump....this is insane ashredux Jun 2020 #1
Ugly suggestion SoFlaBro Jun 2020 #2
They wish such was true... FarPoint Jun 2020 #10
Sure enough dalton99a Jun 2020 #3
A Facebook posting similar to that True Blue American Jun 2020 #9
Hi there in Dayton.. FarPoint Jun 2020 #11
Just close! North. True Blue American Jun 2020 #16
Taken to Rebl2 Jun 2020 #27
Bonkers! Ritabert Jun 2020 #4
His cell phone was obviously a James Bond device set to hack police scanner captain queeg Jun 2020 #5
Don't forget, the hospital and the doctors were all in on it too. House of Roberts Jun 2020 #14
It was the same Doctors and Nurses that faked Obama's birth certificate!! Bengus81 Jun 2020 #47
tRump sucks all the oxygen out. This is diversion, distraction. Deny him the tactic by denying it Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #6
Ok this is a detail I'd been wondering about - was he scanning their equipment underpants Jun 2020 #7
What do you mean by scanning their equipment? Nevilledog Jun 2020 #40
The claim is that he is using some sort of device to disrupt underpants Jun 2020 #43
That's just completely wacko. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #45
Conspiracy theory #?? More non-stop gaslighting of America. White tag teams of really fake news. Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #8
This was a set-up? peggysue2 Jun 2020 #12
*facepalm* sakabatou Jun 2020 #13
Trump should let a cop shove his elderly body FarPoint Jun 2020 #15
Agree! True Blue American Jun 2020 #17
With vertigo, as the man probably has, the shove has to be done without the man knowing LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #21
From what I saw, one officer appeared to turn and lean down a bit towards the man Collimator Jun 2020 #24
Yea, and all the rest of the officers just marched right by the man not paying any attention. LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #30
The one that stopped the cop from assisting was the supervisor (gold badge). SeattleVet Jun 2020 #39
There's an app for that. JaneQPublic Jun 2020 #18
"Conservative Tree House" called him an "Antifa provocateur" based on misreporting muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #19
we must demand his resignation... handmade34 Jun 2020 #20
Typical no proof BS from what's his name! Firestorm49 Jun 2020 #22
I know I go around looking for opportunities to get a concussion.... Bayard Jun 2020 #23
vile fuck... dhill926 Jun 2020 #25
Buffalo's Democratic Mayor agrees with Trump. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2020 #26
That's not the same guy or city ScratchCat Jun 2020 #33
Raw Story is saying that this conspiracy theory came from Russia. gab13by13 Jun 2020 #28
So was the older guy shoved down 2000 miles away in SLC a "plant" too Trump?? Bengus81 Jun 2020 #29
His words only rev up his 35% but Roc2020 Jun 2020 #31
Does anyone know what his injuries were? edbermac Jun 2020 #32
Concussion, last I heard still in seriou condition. True Blue American Jun 2020 #35
I know he had least had a concussion, but it sounds more serious LeftInTX Jun 2020 #37
dangerous leaders marieo1 Jun 2020 #34
Victim blaming is never cool, regardless of the source. nt littlemissmartypants Jun 2020 #36
WTF is the matter with the fucking GOP?! If they aren't repulsed by absurd and dangerous KPN Jun 2020 #38
So, The Cops Fell For It? ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #41
Yes, he rehearsed this move Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #42
It looks like even OANN is distancing themselves from this. SeattleVet Jun 2020 #44
They broadcast it - it's still in this tweet muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #46
The floated turds of trump could fill a thousand cesspools Blue Owl Jun 2020 #48

FarPoint

(12,424 posts)
10. They wish such was true...
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jun 2020

They can't even stand themselves...need to lie as shoving a kind, gentle elderly man to the ground when he just wanted to talk...causing traumatic brain injury and walked on by...true evil they are.

See, even our elderly if perceived as a liberal are risking their life if they approach a cop! Trump created this acceptable behavior.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
9. A Facebook posting similar to that
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:44 AM
Jun 2020

Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Earned a rebuke from customers here in Dayton. Trump needs to be taken to that same woodshed.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
16. Just close! North.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jun 2020

But I have many friends there in Kettering, Centerville.

They are customers, had not seen the story, but were aware of the history.

captain queeg

(10,225 posts)
5. His cell phone was obviously a James Bond device set to hack police scanner
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:41 AM
Jun 2020

And he had some fake blood on his head to frame the cops. Banging his head on the pavement just to make them look bad.

As batshit crazy as this is, his clown patrol will just giggle and nod; oh that’s just trump being trump.

House of Roberts

(5,179 posts)
14. Don't forget, the hospital and the doctors were all in on it too.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:49 AM
Jun 2020

In order for the diagnosis to match the hoax, they had to be.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
6. tRump sucks all the oxygen out. This is diversion, distraction. Deny him the tactic by denying it
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:41 AM
Jun 2020

as quickly as possible and bring things back to a wider picture with the important issues.

underpants

(182,861 posts)
7. Ok this is a detail I'd been wondering about - was he scanning their equipment
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jun 2020

not that that would deserve being treated like he was and also I have no idea if that’s an actual thing (considering the source).

underpants

(182,861 posts)
43. The claim is that he is using some sort of device to disrupt
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jun 2020

the police’s equipment specifically their commo equipment

Nevilledog

(51,167 posts)
45. That's just completely wacko.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jun 2020

What would be the purpose? It wasn't a violent protest, all those officers in line were within touching or sight distance.

Plus, a scanner doesn't disrupt anything. It's for listening.

To me it looks like he has a helmet in his left hand and a phone in his right. I'd also think Buffalo police would have made a big deal if he had any sort of disruptive electronic device.

I'm not being snarky towards you personally, I get your original question.

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
12. This was a set-up?
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jun 2020

So, the 75-year old man shoved himself???

Hello? There's video to watch and unless you buy into: Don't trust your lying eyes, the evidence is clear.

Here's a thought: Let's do an experiment. Have one of these cops shove Mr. Liar-in-Chief and see what happens. I'm betting gravity will solve our problem once Trump goes flying on his back, crashes through the pavement and arrives in China sometime next week.

A girl can dream.

FarPoint

(12,424 posts)
15. Trump should let a cop shove his elderly body
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jun 2020

Just like the cops did to this gentle man...see how that goes for him...balance is diminished..

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
21. With vertigo, as the man probably has, the shove has to be done without the man knowing
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:06 AM
Jun 2020

that he is about to be shoved. When a push comes out of the blue it is hard to keep balance. Speaking as an old man with vertigo.

It is about the same as just walking in the yard and step into a hole that you did not know was there. I don't gracefully fall to the ground , I stumble and try to catch myself, but I am going down.

Since he was thrown off balance from the front, I can't see any way of him catching himself before he hit the pavement with that sound of a melon being dropped.

I don't find the 2 officers that are being charged for it as much as the rest of the team that just ignored the man. The first 2 were just doing what police do, push people. The rest of the team ignored an injured citizen which they are not supposed to so.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
24. From what I saw, one officer appeared to turn and lean down a bit towards the man
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jun 2020

on the ground with the possible intention of offering help. Another officer grasped his shoulder firmly and pushed him back into goosestep with the others.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
30. Yea, and all the rest of the officers just marched right by the man not paying any attention.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jun 2020

not rendering any aid, until one of the national guards man rendered first aid to him.

SeattleVet

(5,478 posts)
39. The one that stopped the cop from assisting was the supervisor (gold badge).
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 03:43 PM
Jun 2020

He was on the radio getting their nearby medics to assist, and didn't want the other cops to break their 'sweep the area' formation. The National Guard troop did stop to assist (the cop supervisor had no power over him). Kudos to someone for having a modicum of humanity.

Still a real total dick move, though.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
18. There's an app for that.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jun 2020

If the old man wanted police communications, all he or anyone else needs to do is download a Scanner Radio app. I have one to listen to police, fire, EMS calls, and it doesn't require cracking your head open on concrete and ending up in the hospital.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
19. "Conservative Tree House" called him an "Antifa provocateur" based on misreporting
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

that had been corrected before OANN ran the report - but OANN used it anyway, because they are a propaganda operation - see https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213568436#post4

Firestorm49

(4,036 posts)
22. Typical no proof BS from what's his name!
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:10 AM
Jun 2020

As far as I have learned, Antifa is more of a proposition than an actual organized movement.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
26. Buffalo's Democratic Mayor agrees with Trump.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jun 2020

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) said on Friday that he was told a protester who was tackled and arrested by state police earlier in the week was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

Brown said state police officers were involved in the arrest of the protester, Myles Carter, last Monday and that the city does not have the ability to take action against them.

“What we were informed of is that that individual was an agitator. He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown told reporters, according to a recording of his comments reported by radio station WBEN.


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501500-buffalo-mayor-says-protester-tackled-by-state-police



Wonder what the police have on Mayor Brown?

gab13by13

(21,378 posts)
28. Raw Story is saying that this conspiracy theory came from Russia.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe I heard it from Stephanie Miller? One or the other.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
29. So was the older guy shoved down 2000 miles away in SLC a "plant" too Trump??
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

Insanity on display each and every day.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
31. His words only rev up his 35% but
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jun 2020

revs up the other 65% against him more. frankly I don't think there is 1% of the population that his words could bring to his side.

edbermac

(15,942 posts)
32. Does anyone know what his injuries were?
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jun 2020

Going around that he had a tube of fake blood under the mask. I’m wondering how he fooled the EMT’s and doctors with that.

LeftInTX

(25,477 posts)
37. I know he had least had a concussion, but it sounds more serious
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jun 2020

I hope he is OK. With a concussion and laceration, he probably would have been released in day or so.

Published: 4:31 PM EDT June 8, 2020
Updated: 12:07 AM EDT June 9, 2020
Facebook Twitter

BUFFALO, N.Y. — The 75-year-old man who was injured when shoved by Buffalo Police officers during a protest in Niagara Square last week is still in the hospital recovering.

His attorney, Kelly V. Zarcone, issued this statement:

Martin Gugino is still hospitalized and his condition remains largely unchanged. He is in serious but stable condition. Martin has acknowledged and sincerely appreciates the tremendous outpouring of support he has received nationwide. Martin and his family continue to request privacy as they focus on Martin’s health and recovery.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/protester-injured-injured-in-niagara-square-still-hospitalized-buffalo-new-york/71-7a8c4179-8d88-4c99-88ae-86430bea468a

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
34. dangerous leaders
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:21 AM
Jun 2020

DJT is a dangerous man.....he should never have been allowed to be the leader of our country and his supporters are just as dangerous.

KPN

(15,647 posts)
38. WTF is the matter with the fucking GOP?! If they aren't repulsed by absurd and dangerous
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jun 2020

suggestions like this by the holder of the most powerful office on earth, we are truly witnessing the total moral decay and rot of the Republican Party and its membership. In effect, they themselves are a disease.

ProfessorGAC

(65,133 posts)
41. So, The Cops Fell For It?
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jun 2020

Their defense is that cops were too stupid to not take the bait?
That's a pretty crummy defense.

Mr.Bill

(24,312 posts)
42. Yes, he rehearsed this move
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 04:53 PM
Jun 2020

and it took a lot of practice to hit his head hard enough on the pavement to make blood pour out of his ear instantly. That's not an easy thing to do, you know.

SeattleVet

(5,478 posts)
44. It looks like even OANN is distancing themselves from this.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jun 2020

If there had been a previous article that claimed what Donnie the Dim is claiming, it's gone now, and the only article that mention's Mr. Gugino's name on their <retch!> site is titled "Trump Tweets Conspiracy Theory About Buffalo Protester Pushed By Police"

Holy fuck! Has he now even lost OANN, or have they been hacked, or are they trying to provide some perverse sort of 'cover'? Since there'e been no report of a head exploding in the vicinity of the White House, I can probably safely assume that the tiny-handed one has not seen this on the OANN site.

On edit:

The article that OANN has (the ONLY mention of Mr. Gugino on their whole site) is actually a Reuters article that they put on their site.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-minneapolis-police-protests-buffalo/trump-tweets-conspiracy-theory-about-buffalo-protester-pushed-by-police-idUKKBN23G2OH

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
46. They broadcast it - it's still in this tweet
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jun 2020

You have to listen for the Russian accent to get the full effect:




They term it "so-called police brutality", and criticise "mainstream media" for not lying about it like OAN does.

Remember, Trump watches TV. He doesn't read.
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