Bubba Wallace responds to FBI findings: 'Whether tied in 2019, or whatever, it was a noose'
Source: CNN
NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace says he's "pissed" members of the public are now questioning his integrity after the FBI said a noose found in his garage stall this week was there before his team moved in.
"I'm mad because people are trying to test my character and the person that I am and my integrity," he told CNN's Don Lemon Tuesday night.
NASCAR said it launched an investigation after a crew member discovered the noose Sunday afternoon at the Talladega Superspeedway. In a statement earlier this week, NASCAR said it was "angry and outraged."
The FBI said Tuesday the noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime. NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/bubba-wallace-response-fbi-hate-crime-investigation/index.html
empedocles
(15,751 posts)ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)So nobody should question his character.
But I'd like to know who reported it and why they wouldn't show us a picture.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)They are attacking him for it even after they are informed it wasn't him reporting it.
But yeah, I agree about who actually reported it and if they gave any thought of it to not being a noose.
RockRaven
(15,012 posts)How many people saw that dangling rope fashioned into a noose over the past 3/4 of a year and said to themselves "that's fine" or similar?
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)I think someone just took it the wrong way. Without a picture, its hard to say. I have seen many times draw cords on blinds tied/shortened in a way that they resemble a "noose". I suspect this is all that happened here and someone overreacted.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)jeepers.
nsd
(2,406 posts)It was an honest mistake. If I were him, I'd say two things: (1) I'm glad this wasn't a hate crime and (2) I am thankful for the strong support of my colleagues when we worried that it was. It's a win-win for everybody.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He couldn't have known and whoever put the rope like that couldn't of known Wallace would use the garage so he didn't fake it but probably misunderstood what he saw.
Igel
(35,359 posts)is such a weak excuse for a mistake.
Best to either accuse those saying you did something wrong of malice or claim that it wasn't a mistake and those saying it was are displaying malice.
Healing through victory.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and he had nothing to do with it. An honest mistake made by who? And why? Who reported it to the media?
George II
(67,782 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)the door. There are a bunch of different knots that would outwardly look like a noose, but are really just knots designed to form a loop at the end of rope.
Wallace was in garage number 4, but the photo I saw included the same knot on the door in garage number 5.
George II
(67,782 posts)...but only one was tied in a way that it looked like a noose. Knots are knots, nooses are nooses.
Where was that picture you mentioned, would like to see what it looks like. Last night CNN had a short, dark, fuzzy video of the one in Wallace's garage, but what's really surprising is that there have been very few if any photos of the garages since this incident.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,059 posts)Whether or not the purpose was to be a garage door pull is irrelevant. It was fashioned as a noose which (I think) is a reflection of the atmosphere & mindset that was allowed to permeate NASCAR for a long time. I'm thankful they finally rejected the confederate flag, but that rag has been a focal point for years at NASCAR. And basically, they had to be told to do it.
cannabis_flower
(3,768 posts)I would find it a lot easier to pull the garage door down with the noose-like pull on the left than the straight rope on the right. Maybe the person just had a problem with grip strength and tied it for convenience.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,059 posts)But I have put a knot on the end of a rope...I'm pretty sure it's easier than tying a noose.
I'm getting some pushback on this, which is fine...we encourage differences of opinions, and people have the absolute right to them. But this thing was no accident, and it sure as hell wasn't tied that way for convenience. If it's been there for a while, obviously it wasn't meant directly for Bubba. But NASCAR has been flying that flag for years...race weekends were a sea of stars and bars. The entire culture was seeped in glorifying the confederacy, and that is going to be reflected in the day to day operations and attitudes of the people who work there
Let's also try a little reverse engineering here, and see what we can kick up. That thing was hanging there for a while, so it stands to reason that operations people knew about it. There very easily could be, but I haven't heard of any other "pulls" being fashioned that way. Any particular reason Bubba was assigned to that particular garage?
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)if someone is sending racist lynching message you go with a heavy rope and hangman loop?
Did they just walk in the garage stall and see the door pull loop and and go "look a racist statement, it's a noose"?
Did they cut the pull from the door and display it like a hangman noose?....what gives. This smells.
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WinstonSmith4740
(3,059 posts)That pull was fashioned to look like a noose. I've seen lots of garage door pulls in my life...none of them looked like that. It would have been a lot easier and quicker to just put a knot at the end of that rope. It doesn't matter when it was done...it was purposeful. And in the south, a noose has one meaning.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)You see the meaning you want to.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,059 posts)n/t
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Ill at least take ownership of it. Bubba seems to show difficulty in doing so.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)He had nothing to do with it. Seems like whoever did, and reported it to the media has succeeded. Seeing as how you're blaming the black guy.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I can see how it could have easily been a situation where someone on his team saw the rope, jumped to conclusions, cut the rope, and showed him what they found hanging in his garage. In hindsight, he probably should have asked more questions about if it was like that before or not. But, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe that isn't how it happened, but it's very possible, and I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt if there is no evidence to suggest that I shouldn't.
That being said, I don't see any reason to continue to try to make it out as if the rope being tied in that loop is still evidence of "something" (whatever that something might be) I'm not even 100% certain it's actually tied in a way to look like a noose. I saw a photo that makes he think it's some other type of knot. I wouldn't mind seeing a clear photo of the actual loop they cut off.
ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)It was only yesterday that he saw the FBI photos.
So, he didn't interpret anything.
He was told it was a noose.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime ...
(as) nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week," the agency said.
NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)So that's the "noose"?
Its obviously a door pull. For the love of god.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)"garage door pull fashioned like a noose."? Also, it was hung last year, was that where he garaged his car?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime ...
(as) nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week," the agency said.
NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."
marie999
(3,334 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Used to open a garage door since last year.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,925 posts)Who has a head small enough to fit through this noose?
marie999
(3,334 posts)First, they slip it up to fit over the head and then down so the knot is against the left ear. Raising the noose slowly if you want the person to suffocate or use a chair or desk to put them on and then kick it away. The longer the fall, the better the chance of breaking the neck.
Sneederbunk
(14,308 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)I'm sure that Bubba has been threatened. His transporter crew got there after passing thousands of Confederate flags. That garage probably hadn't been opened since the fall race last year. Crew took notice and notified NASCAR. Out of an abundance of caution they acted. My bet that one had been replaced those things break. I'm betting it was different than the others. Yeah I have a pull rope on my pole barn doors. They don't look like a noose though. I don't know how anyone blames Bubba. He never said he saw the noose. The transporter team arrives long before the actual race team does in most cases.
Igel
(35,359 posts)Usually I take it to mean what Google happens to say, "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles". I'd add that this doesn't involve perfection or absolutes--one can have the quality of being honest and having a strong moral principle and also still be seen on occasion fall from the bandwagon, to so speak.
It's the habit and general tenor of one's life that matters more than any individual instance--unless the instance is taken as a symbol of the rest, or it's just one more instance in a long string.
"Sorry. Made a mistake." That's usually enough to patch over things. Integrity unharmed, but there's a note saying that if it happens again in the next 6 months probation might be in order. In fact, doubling down on dumb shows a worse lack of integrity--a kind of integrity fragility, an inability to discuss one's public errors without retreating into some terribly sensitive, brittle state.
Ahem.
It seriously doesn't help that for many the attitude is that if you're wrong you must have lied. We've removed simple mistakes from the universe of things that exist--all error is intentional and must be both discovered and punished. And I thought my old fundamentalist church was judgmental and harsh. By comparison with some "progressives" they were libertines. I mean, if you did something wrong the fourth or fifth time in broad daylight so everybody could see the minister might ask you, in private, to please stop and if you were trying to live a godly life. Meanwhile the mabels were on the sidelines calling for the guillotine as the first step, then you ask for public humiliation and repentance, and kept in their place. It's been said that love buries a multitude of sins; mabels want to bury a multitude of sinners.
So I see why he'd be defensive. Every group has its mabels.
And why it took 3 days to issue a statement. They're telling somebody who found a noose that they were wrong in their accusations of a hate crime. It's always dangerous to tell mabels that they're wrong. Nobody likes being told that their gods are in error when there's a revival meeting going on.
jaxexpat
(6,852 posts)refuse participation in the parade, walk away from the impassioned crowd, dismiss the flag wavers and avoid the controversial. Without good sense we will sometimes see mistakes made, even in the best of efforts or the most honorable of causes.
The only sure cure is integrity with humility, honesty. Then you can do, or undo, pretty much whatever you want.
NickB79
(19,274 posts)And not a single one thought "that looks disturbingly like a noose, maybe we should swap it out with something else."
Only when black man sees it does someone make the connection to what should be blatantly obvious.
That's white privilege.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Given that the "noose" was a bowline knot and commonly used to moor boats to docks.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)from both NASCAR and Petty. That might not have happened a year ago.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Take a look at a chart of Boy Scout "hitch" knots (or maybe don't).