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alp227

(32,060 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:48 AM Jun 2020

Bubba Wallace responds to FBI findings: 'Whether tied in 2019, or whatever, it was a noose'

Source: CNN

NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace says he's "pissed" members of the public are now questioning his integrity after the FBI said a noose found in his garage stall this week was there before his team moved in.

"I'm mad because people are trying to test my character and the person that I am and my integrity," he told CNN's Don Lemon Tuesday night.

NASCAR said it launched an investigation after a crew member discovered the noose Sunday afternoon at the Talladega Superspeedway. In a statement earlier this week, NASCAR said it was "angry and outraged."

The FBI said Tuesday the noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime. NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/bubba-wallace-response-fbi-hate-crime-investigation/index.html

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Bubba Wallace responds to FBI findings: 'Whether tied in 2019, or whatever, it was a noose' (Original Post) alp227 Jun 2020 OP
The standard immediate media coverage smelled bad. Sounded like a directed, clumsy, excuse. empedocles Jun 2020 #1
Wallace wasn't the one who reported it ScratchCat Jun 2020 #2
The idiot internet doesn't care if he reported it himself or not Sapient Donkey Jun 2020 #39
Those findings kind of make it worse. It's a broader indictment of NASCAR culture... RockRaven Jun 2020 #3
It probably isn't really fashioned into a noose ScratchCat Jun 2020 #14
The pictures do show it as a noose. ManiacJoe Jun 2020 #49
a garage door pull rope?? janterry Jun 2020 #4
I don't get why he's being defensive. nsd Jun 2020 #5
Agreed. nt cstanleytech Jun 2020 #6
He's being berated on social media. George II Jun 2020 #8
It seems he is responding to critics that are treating it as a hoax rather than a honest mistake JonLP24 Jun 2020 #17
"It was a mistake" Igel Jun 2020 #31
because people are blaming him... stillcool Jun 2020 #37
If it was a garage pull rope why aren't there any in other garages? This is all so suspicious. George II Jun 2020 #7
It was in all the garages. It was a knot tied at the end of the rope so people could pull down Calista241 Jun 2020 #10
Correct. There are pull ropes in all garages (I have one in mine, with a plastic handle).... George II Jun 2020 #16
I found it in a Corvette forum talking about it. Calista241 Jun 2020 #24
I just saw a picture of that thing. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #18
Personally cannabis_flower Jun 2020 #36
I've never tied a noose. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #40
still don't know what actually happened here... Thomas Hurt Jun 2020 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #11
Regardless of purpose. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #19
You're right, it doesn't matter to folks like you or Bubba Devil Child Jun 2020 #20
And you don't? WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #32
Hardly Devil Child Jun 2020 #33
why would he take ownership? stillcool Jun 2020 #38
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this Sapient Donkey Jun 2020 #41
You Do Know He Didn't See It, Right? ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #48
The FBI said Tuesday ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #12
Oh, jeez ScratchCat Jun 2020 #15
Oooof greenjar_01 Jun 2020 #13
Where is this a photo of this "noose" and what do they mean marie999 Jun 2020 #21
The FBI said Tuesday ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #23
That is definitely a noose. nt marie999 Jun 2020 #26
Used to open a garage door ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #27
I'd guess it was used to close the door... greenjar_01 Jun 2020 #28
When someone's neck is in it. nt marie999 Jun 2020 #30
Whose neck? Dr. Strange Jun 2020 #35
The noose is made to slip up or down. marie999 Jun 2020 #42
When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sneederbunk Jun 2020 #22
FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose." left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #25
I am glad it wasn't recent that being said gibraltar72 Jun 2020 #29
"Integrity" is a funny word. Igel Jun 2020 #45
It is always good sense to stay off the band wagon, jaxexpat Jun 2020 #34
Think of all the people who walked by that "pull cord" in the past year NickB79 Jun 2020 #43
Let's hope they don't get on a boat MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #46
What's important here is the response of support DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #44
Theater of the absurd. Steelrolled Jun 2020 #47

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
2. Wallace wasn't the one who reported it
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

So nobody should question his character.

But I'd like to know who reported it and why they wouldn't show us a picture.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
39. The idiot internet doesn't care if he reported it himself or not
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jun 2020

They are attacking him for it even after they are informed it wasn't him reporting it.

But yeah, I agree about who actually reported it and if they gave any thought of it to not being a noose.

RockRaven

(15,012 posts)
3. Those findings kind of make it worse. It's a broader indictment of NASCAR culture...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

How many people saw that dangling rope fashioned into a noose over the past 3/4 of a year and said to themselves "that's fine" or similar?

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
14. It probably isn't really fashioned into a noose
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jun 2020

I think someone just took it the wrong way. Without a picture, its hard to say. I have seen many times draw cords on blinds tied/shortened in a way that they resemble a "noose". I suspect this is all that happened here and someone overreacted.

nsd

(2,406 posts)
5. I don't get why he's being defensive.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jun 2020

It was an honest mistake. If I were him, I'd say two things: (1) I'm glad this wasn't a hate crime and (2) I am thankful for the strong support of my colleagues when we worried that it was. It's a win-win for everybody.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. It seems he is responding to critics that are treating it as a hoax rather than a honest mistake
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jun 2020

He couldn't have known and whoever put the rope like that couldn't of known Wallace would use the garage so he didn't fake it but probably misunderstood what he saw.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
31. "It was a mistake"
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jun 2020

is such a weak excuse for a mistake.

Best to either accuse those saying you did something wrong of malice or claim that it wasn't a mistake and those saying it was are displaying malice.

Healing through victory.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
37. because people are blaming him...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jun 2020

and he had nothing to do with it. An honest mistake made by who? And why? Who reported it to the media?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
10. It was in all the garages. It was a knot tied at the end of the rope so people could pull down
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jun 2020

the door. There are a bunch of different knots that would outwardly look like a noose, but are really just knots designed to form a loop at the end of rope.

Wallace was in garage number 4, but the photo I saw included the same knot on the door in garage number 5.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Correct. There are pull ropes in all garages (I have one in mine, with a plastic handle)....
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jun 2020

...but only one was tied in a way that it looked like a noose. Knots are knots, nooses are nooses.

Where was that picture you mentioned, would like to see what it looks like. Last night CNN had a short, dark, fuzzy video of the one in Wallace's garage, but what's really surprising is that there have been very few if any photos of the garages since this incident.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,059 posts)
18. I just saw a picture of that thing.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jun 2020

Whether or not the purpose was to be a garage door pull is irrelevant. It was fashioned as a noose which (I think) is a reflection of the atmosphere & mindset that was allowed to permeate NASCAR for a long time. I'm thankful they finally rejected the confederate flag, but that rag has been a focal point for years at NASCAR. And basically, they had to be told to do it.

cannabis_flower

(3,768 posts)
36. Personally
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jun 2020

I would find it a lot easier to pull the garage door down with the noose-like pull on the left than the straight rope on the right. Maybe the person just had a problem with grip strength and tied it for convenience.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,059 posts)
40. I've never tied a noose.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jun 2020

But I have put a knot on the end of a rope...I'm pretty sure it's easier than tying a noose.

I'm getting some pushback on this, which is fine...we encourage differences of opinions, and people have the absolute right to them. But this thing was no accident, and it sure as hell wasn't tied that way for convenience. If it's been there for a while, obviously it wasn't meant directly for Bubba. But NASCAR has been flying that flag for years...race weekends were a sea of stars and bars. The entire culture was seeped in glorifying the confederacy, and that is going to be reflected in the day to day operations and attitudes of the people who work there

Let's also try a little reverse engineering here, and see what we can kick up. That thing was hanging there for a while, so it stands to reason that operations people knew about it. There very easily could be, but I haven't heard of any other "pulls" being fashioned that way. Any particular reason Bubba was assigned to that particular garage?

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
9. still don't know what actually happened here...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

if someone is sending racist lynching message you go with a heavy rope and hangman loop?

Did they just walk in the garage stall and see the door pull loop and and go "look a racist statement, it's a noose"?

Did they cut the pull from the door and display it like a hangman noose?....what gives. This smells.

Response to alp227 (Original post)

WinstonSmith4740

(3,059 posts)
19. Regardless of purpose.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jun 2020

That pull was fashioned to look like a noose. I've seen lots of garage door pulls in my life...none of them looked like that. It would have been a lot easier and quicker to just put a knot at the end of that rope. It doesn't matter when it was done...it was purposeful. And in the south, a noose has one meaning.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
38. why would he take ownership?
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

He had nothing to do with it. Seems like whoever did, and reported it to the media has succeeded. Seeing as how you're blaming the black guy.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
41. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jun 2020

I can see how it could have easily been a situation where someone on his team saw the rope, jumped to conclusions, cut the rope, and showed him what they found hanging in his garage. In hindsight, he probably should have asked more questions about if it was like that before or not. But, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe that isn't how it happened, but it's very possible, and I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt if there is no evidence to suggest that I shouldn't.

That being said, I don't see any reason to continue to try to make it out as if the rope being tied in that loop is still evidence of "something" (whatever that something might be) I'm not even 100% certain it's actually tied in a way to look like a noose. I saw a photo that makes he think it's some other type of knot. I wouldn't mind seeing a clear photo of the actual loop they cut off.

ProfessorGAC

(65,212 posts)
48. You Do Know He Didn't See It, Right?
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jun 2020

It was only yesterday that he saw the FBI photos.
So, he didn't interpret anything.
He was told it was a noose.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
12. The FBI said Tuesday ...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:10 AM
Jun 2020

“The noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime ...
(as) nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week," the agency said.

NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
21. Where is this a photo of this "noose" and what do they mean
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jun 2020

"garage door pull fashioned like a noose."? Also, it was hung last year, was that where he garaged his car?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
23. The FBI said Tuesday ...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jun 2020

“The noose had been in the garage since last year and Wallace was therefore not a victim of a hate crime ...
(as) nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week," the agency said.

NASCAR, mentioning the FBI report, described the item as a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
42. The noose is made to slip up or down.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jun 2020

First, they slip it up to fit over the head and then down so the knot is against the left ear. Raising the noose slowly if you want the person to suffocate or use a chair or desk to put them on and then kick it away. The longer the fall, the better the chance of breaking the neck.

gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
29. I am glad it wasn't recent that being said
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jun 2020

I'm sure that Bubba has been threatened. His transporter crew got there after passing thousands of Confederate flags. That garage probably hadn't been opened since the fall race last year. Crew took notice and notified NASCAR. Out of an abundance of caution they acted. My bet that one had been replaced those things break. I'm betting it was different than the others. Yeah I have a pull rope on my pole barn doors. They don't look like a noose though. I don't know how anyone blames Bubba. He never said he saw the noose. The transporter team arrives long before the actual race team does in most cases.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
45. "Integrity" is a funny word.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jun 2020

Usually I take it to mean what Google happens to say, "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles". I'd add that this doesn't involve perfection or absolutes--one can have the quality of being honest and having a strong moral principle and also still be seen on occasion fall from the bandwagon, to so speak.

It's the habit and general tenor of one's life that matters more than any individual instance--unless the instance is taken as a symbol of the rest, or it's just one more instance in a long string.

"Sorry. Made a mistake." That's usually enough to patch over things. Integrity unharmed, but there's a note saying that if it happens again in the next 6 months probation might be in order. In fact, doubling down on dumb shows a worse lack of integrity--a kind of integrity fragility, an inability to discuss one's public errors without retreating into some terribly sensitive, brittle state.

Ahem.

It seriously doesn't help that for many the attitude is that if you're wrong you must have lied. We've removed simple mistakes from the universe of things that exist--all error is intentional and must be both discovered and punished. And I thought my old fundamentalist church was judgmental and harsh. By comparison with some "progressives" they were libertines. I mean, if you did something wrong the fourth or fifth time in broad daylight so everybody could see the minister might ask you, in private, to please stop and if you were trying to live a godly life. Meanwhile the mabels were on the sidelines calling for the guillotine as the first step, then you ask for public humiliation and repentance, and kept in their place. It's been said that love buries a multitude of sins; mabels want to bury a multitude of sinners.

So I see why he'd be defensive. Every group has its mabels.

And why it took 3 days to issue a statement. They're telling somebody who found a noose that they were wrong in their accusations of a hate crime. It's always dangerous to tell mabels that they're wrong. Nobody likes being told that their gods are in error when there's a revival meeting going on.

jaxexpat

(6,852 posts)
34. It is always good sense to stay off the band wagon,
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:27 PM
Jun 2020

refuse participation in the parade, walk away from the impassioned crowd, dismiss the flag wavers and avoid the controversial. Without good sense we will sometimes see mistakes made, even in the best of efforts or the most honorable of causes.
The only sure cure is integrity with humility, honesty. Then you can do, or undo, pretty much whatever you want.

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
43. Think of all the people who walked by that "pull cord" in the past year
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jun 2020

And not a single one thought "that looks disturbingly like a noose, maybe we should swap it out with something else."

Only when black man sees it does someone make the connection to what should be blatantly obvious.

That's white privilege.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
46. Let's hope they don't get on a boat
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jun 2020

Given that the "noose" was a bowline knot and commonly used to moor boats to docks.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
44. What's important here is the response of support
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jun 2020

from both NASCAR and Petty. That might not have happened a year ago.

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