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Omaha Steve

(99,703 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:52 PM Jul 2020

US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea

Source: AP

By MATTHEW LEE and LOLITA C. BALDOR

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration escalated its actions against China on Monday by stepping squarely into one of the most sensitive regional issues dividing them and rejecting outright nearly all of Beijing’s significant maritime claims in the South China Sea.

The administration presented the decision as an attempt to curb China’s increasing assertiveness in the region with a commitment to recognizing international law. But it will almost certainly have the more immediate effect of further infuriating the Chinese, who are already retaliating against numerous U.S. sanctions and other penalties on other matters.

It also comes as President Donald Trump has come under growing fire for his response to the COVID-19 pandemic, stepped up criticism of China ahead of the 2020 election and sought to paint his expected Democratic challenger, former Vice President Joe Biden, as weak on China.

Previously, U.S. policy had been to insist that maritime disputes between China and its smaller neighbors be resolved peacefully through U.N.-backed arbitration. But in a statement released Monday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. now regards virtually all Chinese maritime claims outside its internationally recognized waters to be illegitimate. The shift does not involve disputes over land features that are above sea level, which are considered to be “territorial” in nature.



In this photo provided by U.S. Navy, the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) and USS Nimitz (CVN 68) Carrier Strike Groups steam in formation, in the South China Sea, Monday, July 6, 2020. China on Monday, July 6, accused the U.S. of flexing its military muscles in the South China Sea by conducting joint exercises with two U.S. aircraft carrier groups in the strategic waterway.(Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jason Tarleton/U.S. Navy via AP)


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US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2020 OP
Trump wagging the dog. bluewater Jul 2020 #1
Still China really has a far weaker claim to the area than some of the other countries cstanleytech Jul 2020 #2
Don't take the bait and get distracted by tRump. bluewater Jul 2020 #3
I know but I am simply saying that China has a weak claim to the area. cstanleytech Jul 2020 #4
Don't take the bait and go off on a tangent. bluewater Jul 2020 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #9
It's definitely going on a tangent when replying to me in this sub-thread bluewater Jul 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #12
No at this time it's a intentional distraction rockfordfile Jul 2020 #13
I respect your opinion, but still feel tRump is trying to distract us. bluewater Jul 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #19
This is the same policy followed by the Obama Adminstration. Calista241 Jul 2020 #16
China Accuses U.S. of "Flexing it's Military Muscles" Roy Rolling Jul 2020 #6
This has been necessary for awhile ripcord Jul 2020 #7
I agree, it most likely should have been done many years ago Warpy Jul 2020 #8
The UN can't do anything in this case. Calista241 Jul 2020 #17
Apparently the World Court has ruled against them Warpy Jul 2020 #18
The South China Sea belongs to China as much as the Arabian Sea belongs to Saudi Arabia dalton99a Jul 2020 #11
Nice Photo Op Must Have Been in a Hurry ? Tbear Jul 2020 #15
China and Iran are working a huge economic and military deal, China gets cheap oil and opens market Baclava Jul 2020 #20

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
1. Trump wagging the dog.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jul 2020

I have been expecting military adventurism from him as his polls plummet.



China might be too big a target though, I was/am expecting some open attack on Iran, but I guess Trump thinks the public is bored with cruise missile attacks.

Dangerous times, tRump is getting desperate.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
2. Still China really has a far weaker claim to the area than some of the other countries
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jul 2020

in the region.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
5. Don't take the bait and go off on a tangent.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:23 PM
Jul 2020

This is a planned distraction from tRump.

Has anything changed geopolitically besides Trump's poll numbers tanking? Nope.

The discussion, in this subthread, should stay on WHY tRump is pushing this now. The reason is to buttress his sagging poll numbers with a distraction based on military posturing.






Response to bluewater (Reply #5)

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
10. It's definitely going on a tangent when replying to me in this sub-thread
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jul 2020

I raised the issue of Trump wagging the dog and using this as a distraction.

Other people are free to, and have, raised other points about the OP article, but did not address them to me in this subthread.

It's that simple.



Care to comment on whether tRump is using this as yet another distraction from his inept handling of the pandemic?



Response to bluewater (Reply #10)

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
14. I respect your opinion, but still feel tRump is trying to distract us.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:56 PM
Jul 2020

Why?

The timing of it. There has been no recent triggering incident except Trump's plummeting poll numbers.

I feel that trump is employing the well known technique of evoking military posturing to short circuit criticism of himself on other issues.
This technique is so well known it has a name, wagging the dog, and was even the subject of a movie many years back. Either Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino starred in that, I always confuse those two.

Thanks for understanding my desire to keep this subthread more or less on topic.

Response to bluewater (Reply #14)

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
16. This is the same policy followed by the Obama Adminstration.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:37 PM
Jul 2020

Letting China exert a territorial claim on the entire South China Sea would be a mistake of massive proportions.

It would be like the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico as our territorial waters, and regulating / taxing / inspecting what shipping passes through those waters, even if a ship not coming here and is going to Mexico, Venezuela, Panama, etc.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
7. This has been necessary for awhile
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jul 2020

Better to head it off now since we will be involved with any conflict involving China and the Philippines.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
8. I agree, it most likely should have been done many years ago
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 07:23 PM
Jul 2020

and handled through the UN. Dumdum's sabre rattling is not going to do anyone much good, I'm afraid.

Cue stock market jitters in 3-2-1...

He's fixated on having China as an enemy and hopes that will scare his morons into voting for him. You know, they sent us that virus to make him look bad and all that.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
18. Apparently the World Court has ruled against them
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jul 2020

Xi is playing a few dangerous games these days.

dalton99a

(81,569 posts)
11. The South China Sea belongs to China as much as the Arabian Sea belongs to Saudi Arabia
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:44 PM
Jul 2020

or the Gulf of Mexico belongs to Mexico

China's territorial claims are garbage


Tbear

(488 posts)
15. Nice Photo Op Must Have Been in a Hurry ?
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jul 2020

What could Putin gain from any tension or conflict in the South China Sea?

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
20. China and Iran are working a huge economic and military deal, China gets cheap oil and opens market
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jul 2020

25 years of cheap Iranian oil and "joint research and weapons development", so they could slip them some nukes on the sly? Perfect.

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