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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,233 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:02 PM Jul 2020

Senate votes to limit some military equipment transfers to police departments

Source: CNN

The Senate voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to put some limits on the transfer of military equipment from the Defense Department to state and local police departments, even as it rejected a more stringent measure aimed at preventing "weapons of war," in the words of one senator, from being used by police.

The votes, which were cast on competing amendments to the National Defense Authorization Act, came as the country grapples with how to reform police departments in the wake of the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police and the corresponding protests across the country that have highlighted concerns about rough practices by heavily fortified police.

The measure that was defeated was a bipartisan proposal from GOP Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Democratic Sens. Brian Schatz of Hawaii and Kamala Harris of California. It would have prohibited "the transfer of military equipment to law enforcement agencies, including tear gas, armor-piercing firearms and ammunition, bayonets, grenade launchers and grenades, combat tracked vehicles, and drones," according to a summary of the amendment.

Needing 60 votes to pass, it failed on a vote of 51 yes votes and 49 no votes. Two other Republicans voted in favor of the amendment: Sens. Cory Gardner of Colorado and Steve Daines of Montana, both who are facing tight reelection battles.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-votes-to-limit-some-military-equipment-transfers-to-police-departments/ar-BB171mbY?li=BBnb7Kz

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Senate votes to limit some military equipment transfers to police departments (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 OP
Police departments should be forbidden from possessing military equipment of any kind whatsoever 47of74 Jul 2020 #1
Because everybody knows James48 Jul 2020 #2
What should SWAT teams be armed with exactly? 6 shot revolvers? EX500rider Jul 2020 #3
One incident... Tribalceltic Jul 2020 #4
Well no cops have tanks.. EX500rider Jul 2020 #6
Dandy way to de-escalate a situation - send out SWAT Backseat Driver Jul 2020 #5
"Dandy way to de-escalate a situation" not all situations can be "de-escalted" EX500rider Jul 2020 #7
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
1. Police departments should be forbidden from possessing military equipment of any kind whatsoever
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jul 2020

And make it a felony for a police officer to have military equipment in their possession while performing their police duties.

James48

(4,441 posts)
2. Because everybody knows
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jul 2020

How much local police departments need bayonets, and grenades.

You gotta have bayonets- and grenades.

EX500rider

(10,872 posts)
6. Well no cops have tanks..
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jul 2020

Tanks have treads, turrets and a big cannon.
What some police depts have are armored cars, very useful for retrieving wounded civilians and officers while under fire.


"One incident...23 years ago" Are you under the impression that's the only time there have been heavily armed criminals who shot it out with the police?

Backseat Driver

(4,399 posts)
5. Dandy way to de-escalate a situation - send out SWAT
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jul 2020
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Franklin+County+SWAT+deputies+shot+while+serving+probate+warrant&atb=v202-7__&ia=web&iai=r1-8&page=1&adx=sltb&sexp=%7B%22v7exp%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sltexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22wiadrk%22%3A%22b%22%7D

The Franklin County Sheriff’s SWAT Unit operates under the authority of the Franklin County Sheriff and is under the direction of the Chief Deputy of the Support Services Division. The Sheriff has made this unit available to all jurisdictions within Franklin County and the State of Ohio under Homeland Security, in times of need. The SWAT unit is comprised of the following members: 1 lieutenant, 4 sergeants, 16 deputies, 1 medical team member and a part-time secretary. The Sheriff's Emergency Response Team is attached to SWAT and consists of 8 deputies whose responsibilities include driving and maintaining all vehicles.

The SWAT Unit averages over one hundred call outs per year. These situations have included: Hostage rescue, Barricaded individuals with deadly weapons, Drug raids, High Risk Arrest Warrants, Warrant sweeps, serving Probate Orders and protection of dignitaries.

https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/woman-shoots-wounds-2-swat-officers-columbus-who-were-serving-probate-warrant/HOBPRAOIG5DFTNQX4QIKO53P6U/

Woman shoots, wounds 2 SWAT officers in Columbus who were serving probate warrant


[snip]A probate warrant is used when there is a concern a person could be a danger to himself or herself or to others, WBNS reports.

While the sheriff’s office has served up to 1,500 such warrants a year, they usually happen without incident. Once such a warrant is approved, law enforcement will pick up the person for a mental evaluation.

“They can be very dangerous because you are dealing with people that will have issues, and they are maybe not in their right mind. Anything can happen,” Sheriff Dallas Baldwin said.

Franklin County Judge Robert Montgomery, who presides over probate court, said it is an order of detention.

“One thing I want to clarify, this is not a criminal case, it’s a civil case,” he said.[snip]

Oops, criminal now


EX500rider

(10,872 posts)
7. "Dandy way to de-escalate a situation" not all situations can be "de-escalted"
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jul 2020

Some criminals would rather go out the hard way and take some with them then go back to prison.

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