Outside police agencies pulling out of Democratic convention
Source: AP
MILWAUKEE (AP) Wisconsin police departments are withdrawing from agreements to send personnel to help bolster security at the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee next month, citing concerns with a recent order for the city's police to stop using tear gas to control crowds.
A citizen oversight commission last week directed Milwaukees police chief to publicly account for why the department used tear gas during protests in late May and early June after the killing of George Floyd and to change Milwaukee police policies to ban the use of tear gas and pepper spray. The Milwaukee Fire and Police Commission said in its order that Police Chief Alfonso Morales could be fired if he fails to comply.
That order comes amid intense scrutiny of police tactics at protests in Portland, Oregon, and elsewhere.
Since the Milwaukee order was issued, police departments in Fond du Lac, Franklin and West Allis have backed out of assisting with providing security at the Democratic National Convention, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Tuesday . Their departure cast doubts on the viability of the program designed to bring about 1,000 officers from outside agencies to provide security at the convention, which is scheduled to take place Aug. 17-Aug. 20.
Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/outside-police-agencies-pulling-democratic-151516277.html
Jirel
(2,025 posts)If they want to brutalize protestors, we dont need them. Its time we all walked the walk, and said no to policing OUR events with the same brutality we supposedly oppose.
machoneman
(4,011 posts)soldierant
(6,927 posts)But we aren't. We are talking city police departments.
Sure, Congress could reduce money coming to the state, and the state could reduce money going to the cities. But bottom line, it's the cities' choice how they re-budget the reduced amounst.
AllaN01Bear
(18,443 posts)JI7
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dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Nululu
(842 posts)onetexan
(13,062 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)there's a whole lot of people that do private security that are not police, or Blackwater.
onetexan
(13,062 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)we're losing.
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)No explanation will be needed.
Are you suggesting we forego security because you think it makes us look bad?
And please explain why you think it make us look bad to have security?
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)Where did that happen?
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)so out of control that the regular police can't handle peaceful protests?
soldierant
(6,927 posts)Unless we want to allow them to use tear gas, the regular police are not available.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)flies around the world with corporate execs & trains them in kidnapping escape scenarios. His company is not associated with Erik Prince or any other wingnut group.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and Blackwater is now Academi. They've merged with several others and are now huge. Not sure who your nephew works for, but I would assume it's a global corporation, and they do more than a typical local security company. If you're guarding a gated community, the company you work for is not likely to be sending you around the globe. They're not likely licensed to.
The fusion of the two terms 'private security', and 'private military' is beneficial to 'military companies' because they don't have the negative 'military corporation' association of Blackwater
here's a list of corporations http://www.privatemilitary.org/private_military_companies.html
https://medium.com/smartaim-tech/war-for-money-leading-private-military-companies-of-the-world-eab9f9fe2de8
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)That is usually a negative connotation.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)they marked the tires on Main St., and were at the beach parking lots, and did parking at private parties.
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)In Portland? Hiring mercenaries to secure public spaces?
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)there's a big differene between Brinks and Blackwater.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Sgent
(5,857 posts)are the ones that asked for the help of outside police departments. Presumably they don't have enough manpower to provide security for the entire convention.
That said, with the lower attendance due to COVID, they maybe fine.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)They should be able to handle that.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Who needs 'em en masse?
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Seems like a small contingent of private security is all that is needed to secure any facility they will be sending the Zoom feed from.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)but significantly pared down and not events all over the city at different facilities. And definitely shouldn't need all those LEOs.
By SCOTT BAUER yesterday
MADISON, Wis. (AP) Everyone attending the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee next month will have to wear a face mask, consent to daily testing for COVID-19, fill out questionnaires and maintain a physical distance from others. Organizers of the convention released details of the coronavirus safety plan Monday, three weeks before the Aug. 17 start of the four-day event. The convention has been scaled down from original plans and now will be mostly online with only a few hundred people gathered at the Wisconsin Center in downtown Milwaukee.
Attendees will have to self-isolated for a minimum of 72 hours before departing for Milwaukee or when first entering the conventions main venue if theyre already in the city. Once at the convention, attendees must fill out a daily questionnaire indicating that they are not experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and have not had contact with anyone who is infected. All convention guests, law enforcement, media, and staff must agree to daily COVID-19 testing, either at the Wisconsin Center or another offsite location. They must also agree to follow any other reasonable restrictions that convention organizers may impose based on changing health conditions.
While presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and everyone else will be required to wear a mask once inside, anyone making a speech will be allowed to remove theirs. The podium will be 20 feet from other people. Organizers are also encouraging attendees to wear a face shield or goggles to protect their eyes. Organizers are also recommending that attendees avoid bars, restaurants, and other locations where social distancing is not possible or not practiced.
Ensuring the safety and well-being of everyone involved with the convention is our top priority, said convention spokeswoman Katie Peters. After consultation with public health officials, the Democratic National Convention Committee will implement robust health and safety protocols that will govern the conventions in-person activities and keep attendees safe before and during the convention.
https://apnews.com/376dfa68775bb4d752f9e97d41492192
Bayard
(22,163 posts)We will take our batons and go home.
PatrickforO
(14,592 posts)Be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't think this is going to help the cops in general by any means.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,474 posts)we will not provide security.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)to realize this will cost them millions of dollars.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Pigs.. they all just Pigs.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)JustGene
(421 posts)2naSalit
(86,802 posts)There are only about 1,000 expected to show for the convention anyway. If rwnjs want to show up and cause trouble then it could be interesting.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)poli-junkie
(1,007 posts)EarthFirst
(2,905 posts)I like it!
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ancianita
(36,137 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Grokenstein
(5,727 posts)They may be pulling back to accommodate their unmarked Federal brethren.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention#The_Chicago_Police_riot
In its report Rights in Conflict (better known as the Walker Report), the Chicago Study Team that investigated the violent clashes between police and protesters at the convention stated that the police response was characterized by 'unrestrained and indiscriminate police violence on many occasions, particularly at night. That violence was made all the more shocking by the fact that it was often inflicted upon persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made no threat. These included peaceful demonstrators, onlookers, and large numbers of residents who were simply passing through, or happened to live in, the areas where confrontations were occurring'."
Lonestarblue
(10,085 posts)Given how Trump is orchestrating violence in Portland, he and Barr could plan to use their right-wing gangs to create violent protests in Milwaukee. Trump can then make claims about people protesting Biden. It would be great if Biden anticipates this action by Trump and holds a press conference to ask BLM not to protest near the convention, and have them announce that they will not protest as well, to tell Trump in advance that his tactics wont work.
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)The Dems wouldn't need protection from Democrats...........Any protestors are likely to be Right Wing, and if there is lessened security, the right wing protestors can have their way and do anything they want to disrupt without any resistance.......
Many times we have seen both sides protesting, and the police wading in and turning towards the left wing demonstrators and going after them with violence......
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)atreides1
(16,093 posts)And racists...all of them!!!
sorcrow
(421 posts)Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)If they just have the people who speak show up, they won't need that much security anyway.
noneof_theabove
(410 posts)no guts to be in the military
and
too afraid to an peace office....good riddance to you ilk.
pecosbob
(7,544 posts)Police unions really don't want to go to war with a Dem-controlled Congress...they will lose. Saint Ronnie Ray-gun showed us how.
radius777
(3,635 posts)if something happened to it."
basically this is just the typical police union reaction to calls for reform - which exactly reveals why we need such reform - under the current system they are not accountable.