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shotten99

(622 posts)
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:08 PM Jul 2020

Outside police agencies pulling out of Democratic convention

Source: AP

MILWAUKEE (AP) — Wisconsin police departments are withdrawing from agreements to send personnel to help bolster security at the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee next month, citing concerns with a recent order for the city's police to stop using tear gas to control crowds.

A citizen oversight commission last week directed Milwaukee’s police chief to publicly account for why the department used tear gas during protests in late May and early June after the killing of George Floyd and to change Milwaukee police policies to ban the use of tear gas and pepper spray. The Milwaukee Fire and Police Commission said in its order that Police Chief Alfonso Morales could be fired if he fails to comply.

That order comes amid intense scrutiny of police tactics at protests in Portland, Oregon, and elsewhere.

Since the Milwaukee order was issued, police departments in Fond du Lac, Franklin and West Allis have backed out of assisting with providing security at the Democratic National Convention, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Tuesday . Their departure cast doubts on the viability of the program designed to bring about 1,000 officers from outside agencies to provide security at the convention, which is scheduled to take place Aug. 17-Aug. 20.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/outside-police-agencies-pulling-democratic-151516277.html

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Outside police agencies pulling out of Democratic convention (Original Post) shotten99 Jul 2020 OP
That's fine. Jirel Jul 2020 #1
Good! We can defund these asshole's budget then. Take that, you jerks! machoneman Jul 2020 #2
We? Congress can't. Wisconsin could if we were talking State police. soldierant Jul 2020 #44
natrualy. AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #3
lol, shows they aren't fit to do the job. JI7 Jul 2020 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2020 #5
They just don't want oversight do they? dem4decades Jul 2020 #6
Bunch of whiney jerks nt Nululu Jul 2020 #7
Big deal, DNC can hire private security onetexan Jul 2020 #8
The optics of D's hiring their own Blackwater equivalent would be terrible. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #15
Private Security does not mean Blackwater... stillcool Jul 2020 #23
Spot on onetexan Jul 2020 #26
When we have to explain the difference between our private security and their private security pnwmom Jul 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author stillcool Jul 2020 #31
Our security won't lob projectiles into grandmas' faces. alphafemale Jul 2020 #39
Oh god! OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2020 #41
Why can't the regular police handle the job? Are you suggesting Democrats are going to be pnwmom Jul 2020 #43
The people refusing to provide security ARE the regular police. soldierant Jul 2020 #45
No, they aren't. They're police from outside the city. The city's police can't decline. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #47
My nephew was a County sheriff in TX. Now, he... displacedtexan Jul 2020 #32
There are a whole lot of private military corporations. stillcool Jul 2020 #38
Not to highjack, but damn I want your nephew's life. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #53
Some would still call them rent-a-cops. OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2020 #42
In my day, they were kids... stillcool Jul 2020 #46
Isn't that exactly what we are condemning sarisataka Jul 2020 #19
Um... SoCalNative Jul 2020 #36
Why are we assuming that the city's police department can't do the job? nt pnwmom Jul 2020 #48
Because they Sgent Jul 2020 #50
This is a mini-convention compared to the one initially planned -- only about 300 people. pnwmom Jul 2020 #52
Isn't the convention virtual? B Stieg Jul 2020 #9
Yes, I was thinking we don't need 1,000 cops when it'll just be VIPs speaking on Zoom. SunSeeker Jul 2020 #16
I understand this will still be a "Convention" BumRushDaShow Jul 2020 #28
If we can't play rough, Bayard Jul 2020 #10
A pissing contest, eh? PatrickforO Jul 2020 #11
Unless we can brutalize, and possibly murder people, Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #12
Probably none of them smart enough Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #13
So much for "To Serve and Protect" BlueIdaho Jul 2020 #14
Tear Gas and Smash sarcasmo Jul 2020 #54
We called em Pigs when "cops" was a slur n/t JustGene Jul 2020 #56
From what I heard on NPR this morning... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #17
Bye Felicia! SunSeeker Jul 2020 #18
Have NFAC serve as security poli-junkie Jul 2020 #20
+1 EarthFirst Jul 2020 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jul 2020 #21
Gov Evers can send in the state national guard, right? ancianita Jul 2020 #22
They'll end up canceling; no suspense anyways donkeypoofed Jul 2020 #24
Beware a repeat of the 1968 Chicago Convention. Grokenstein Jul 2020 #25
Your point is really important. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #30
Precisely............ DENVERPOPS Jul 2020 #51
Are Dems having an in person convention? I thought it was gonna be virtual due to Corona. Amaryllis Jul 2020 #29
Cowards atreides1 Jul 2020 #33
Can we hire some Moms? nt sorcrow Jul 2020 #34
They should make it all virtual anyway. Sloumeau Jul 2020 #35
Just goes to prove noneof_theabove Jul 2020 #40
The police unions are behind this pecosbob Jul 2020 #49
"nice little convention you got there, shame radius777 Jul 2020 #55

Jirel

(2,025 posts)
1. That's fine.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jul 2020

If they want to brutalize protestors, we don’t need them. It’s time we all walked the walk, and said no to policing OUR events with the same brutality we supposedly oppose.

soldierant

(6,927 posts)
44. We? Congress can't. Wisconsin could if we were talking State police.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jul 2020

But we aren't. We are talking city police departments.

Sure, Congress could reduce money coming to the state, and the state could reduce money going to the cities. But bottom line, it's the cities' choice how they re-budget the reduced amounst.

Response to shotten99 (Original post)

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
23. Private Security does not mean Blackwater...
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jul 2020

there's a whole lot of people that do private security that are not police, or Blackwater.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
27. When we have to explain the difference between our private security and their private security
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jul 2020

we're losing.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #27)

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
39. Our security won't lob projectiles into grandmas' faces.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 05:56 PM
Jul 2020

No explanation will be needed.

Are you suggesting we forego security because you think it makes us look bad?

And please explain why you think it make us look bad to have security?

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
43. Why can't the regular police handle the job? Are you suggesting Democrats are going to be
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jul 2020

so out of control that the regular police can't handle peaceful protests?

soldierant

(6,927 posts)
45. The people refusing to provide security ARE the regular police.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jul 2020

Unless we want to allow them to use tear gas, the regular police are not available.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
32. My nephew was a County sheriff in TX. Now, he...
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jul 2020

flies around the world with corporate execs & trains them in kidnapping escape scenarios. His company is not associated with Erik Prince or any other wingnut group.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
38. There are a whole lot of private military corporations.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jul 2020

and Blackwater is now Academi. They've merged with several others and are now huge. Not sure who your nephew works for, but I would assume it's a global corporation, and they do more than a typical local security company. If you're guarding a gated community, the company you work for is not likely to be sending you around the globe. They're not likely licensed to.
The fusion of the two terms 'private security', and 'private military' is beneficial to 'military companies' because they don't have the negative 'military corporation' association of Blackwater
here's a list of corporations http://www.privatemilitary.org/private_military_companies.html

https://medium.com/smartaim-tech/war-for-money-leading-private-military-companies-of-the-world-eab9f9fe2de8

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
46. In my day, they were kids...
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jul 2020

they marked the tires on Main St., and were at the beach parking lots, and did parking at private parties.

sarisataka

(18,779 posts)
19. Isn't that exactly what we are condemning
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:56 PM
Jul 2020

In Portland? Hiring mercenaries to secure public spaces?

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
50. Because they
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jul 2020

are the ones that asked for the help of outside police departments. Presumably they don't have enough manpower to provide security for the entire convention.

That said, with the lower attendance due to COVID, they maybe fine.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
52. This is a mini-convention compared to the one initially planned -- only about 300 people.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jul 2020

They should be able to handle that.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
16. Yes, I was thinking we don't need 1,000 cops when it'll just be VIPs speaking on Zoom.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jul 2020

Seems like a small contingent of private security is all that is needed to secure any facility they will be sending the Zoom feed from.

BumRushDaShow

(129,543 posts)
28. I understand this will still be a "Convention"
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jul 2020

but significantly pared down and not events all over the city at different facilities. And definitely shouldn't need all those LEOs.


Democratic National Convention to require masks, distancing

By SCOTT BAUER yesterday


MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Everyone attending the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee next month will have to wear a face mask, consent to daily testing for COVID-19, fill out questionnaires and maintain a physical distance from others. Organizers of the convention released details of the coronavirus safety plan Monday, three weeks before the Aug. 17 start of the four-day event. The convention has been scaled down from original plans and now will be mostly online with only a few hundred people gathered at the Wisconsin Center in downtown Milwaukee.

Attendees will have to self-isolated for a minimum of 72 hours before departing for Milwaukee or when first entering the convention’s main venue if they’re already in the city. Once at the convention, attendees must fill out a daily questionnaire indicating that they are not experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and have not had contact with anyone who is infected. All convention guests, law enforcement, media, and staff must agree to daily COVID-19 testing, either at the Wisconsin Center or another offsite location. They must also agree to follow any other “reasonable restrictions that convention organizers may impose based on changing health conditions.”

While presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and everyone else will be required to wear a mask once inside, anyone making a speech will be allowed to remove theirs. The podium will be 20 feet from other people. Organizers are also encouraging attendees to wear a face shield or goggles to protect their eyes. Organizers are also recommending that attendees “avoid bars, restaurants, and other locations where social distancing is not possible or not practiced.”

“Ensuring the safety and well-being of everyone involved with the convention is our top priority,” said convention spokeswoman Katie Peters. “After consultation with public health officials, the Democratic National Convention Committee will implement robust health and safety protocols that will govern the convention’s in-person activities and keep attendees safe before and during the convention.”


https://apnews.com/376dfa68775bb4d752f9e97d41492192

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
11. A pissing contest, eh?
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jul 2020

Be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't think this is going to help the cops in general by any means.

2naSalit

(86,802 posts)
17. From what I heard on NPR this morning...
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jul 2020

There are only about 1,000 expected to show for the convention anyway. If rwnjs want to show up and cause trouble then it could be interesting.

Response to shotten99 (Original post)

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
25. Beware a repeat of the 1968 Chicago Convention.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jul 2020

They may be pulling back to accommodate their unmarked Federal brethren.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention#The_Chicago_Police_riot

In its report Rights in Conflict (better known as the Walker Report), the Chicago Study Team that investigated the violent clashes between police and protesters at the convention stated that the police response was characterized by 'unrestrained and indiscriminate police violence on many occasions, particularly at night. That violence was made all the more shocking by the fact that it was often inflicted upon persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made no threat. These included peaceful demonstrators, onlookers, and large numbers of residents who were simply passing through, or happened to live in, the areas where confrontations were occurring'."

Lonestarblue

(10,085 posts)
30. Your point is really important.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jul 2020

Given how Trump is orchestrating violence in Portland, he and Barr could plan to use their right-wing gangs to create violent protests in Milwaukee. Trump can then make claims about people protesting Biden. It would be great if Biden anticipates this action by Trump and holds a press conference to ask BLM not to protest near the convention, and have them announce that they will not protest as well, to tell Trump in advance that his tactics won’t work.

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
51. Precisely............
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jul 2020

The Dems wouldn't need protection from Democrats...........Any protestors are likely to be Right Wing, and if there is lessened security, the right wing protestors can have their way and do anything they want to disrupt without any resistance.......

Many times we have seen both sides protesting, and the police wading in and turning towards the left wing demonstrators and going after them with violence......

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
35. They should make it all virtual anyway.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jul 2020

If they just have the people who speak show up, they won't need that much security anyway.

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
40. Just goes to prove
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jul 2020

no guts to be in the military
and
too afraid to an peace office....good riddance to you ilk.

pecosbob

(7,544 posts)
49. The police unions are behind this
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jul 2020

Police unions really don't want to go to war with a Dem-controlled Congress...they will lose. Saint Ronnie Ray-gun showed us how.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
55. "nice little convention you got there, shame
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 12:13 AM
Jul 2020

if something happened to it."

basically this is just the typical police union reaction to calls for reform - which exactly reveals why we need such reform - under the current system they are not accountable.

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